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"Riot should make everything Targeted/Point and Click"

SchneidRpro·2/16/2015, 4:33:09 PM·22 votes·1,626 views

^^That way we can just stack stats, and have incredibly boring mash button contests. Then boards would complain that LCS is too boring and those champs would have "no counter play".

Most of the people on the boards are oldies playing who have been playing from beta/season 1/season 2 and complain about new champs in the game that they don't want to learn counter play to.

They believe that being insta-stunned and killed by veigar has more counter play then flashing away from zed or landing cc on him and running. They say "just build QSS against veigar" this is false because veigar can just q+ulti and your dead without even landing his stun.

Honestly, Riot should just tell Phreak to make counter play videos so people can be aware of how to play against a certain champion.

35 Comments

Junkο2/16/2015, 7:55:10 PM10 votes

Somebody got butthurt because he lost to a Veigar main.

This isn't even his final form.

Raptamei2/16/2015, 4:53:58 PM5 votes

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They believe that being insta-stunned and killed by veigar has more counter play then flashing away from zed or landing cc on him and running.

No, they believe that VEIGAR has more counterplay than ZED.

You can shut down Veigar in lane. You can't shut down Zed. Veigar has weaknesses. Zed has none. Veigar has safe zones. Zed has none. As a bruiser, you can jump into Veigar's face and force him to stun you instead of the squishies. Zed can be anywhere he wants.

If you get stunned and instantly killed, you already screwed up several times before that point and now you die. It isn't instant karma, therefore the new generation of ADHD kids doesn't understand the relation between cause and effect and complains that he's uncounterable.

Watch a Dota match and ask yourself how people actually end up losing even though everything they have is point and click with "no counterplay". The answer: because they put the wrong people into the wrong lane or didn't expect X to roam from bot to top and gank them or because the enemy timed their gold income and ganked their Enigma at 1900 gold so he couldn't buy a blink dagger for the decisive teamfight. That's strategy. Veigar requires strategy to beat instead of dodging skill.

Knight SoIaire 2/16/2015, 5:39:25 PM4 votes

They say "just build QSS against veigar" this is false because veigar can just q+ulti and your dead without even landing his stun.

build qqs vs veigar, use it and flash , veigar just lost a chance to kill you

build qqs vs zed ,he ults you you remove his ult but he still mashes you, you flash away but he uses w and still hits you,you cc or use your mobility and he flashes after you just to still hit you(or he dodges a skillshot), you have loads of useless magic resist and even if you manage to fight him he can just pop back out so you just wasted some gold while zed gets youmus and infinity to stop relying on ult for damage

veigar has less counterplay in his kit than zed zed has less counterplay in his gameplay than veigar

riot gives counterplay to veigars kit meaning that he will get rekt in gameplay, most of his usefullnes was from oneshotting carries, this wont happen without a stun

also next example that gets me mad lee sin/ jarwan get good base stats, good scalings,good cc,good mobility and they arent the only examples of that

meanwhile darius and mordekaiser just deal damage, and not some insane damage, their damage is good but a well build bruiser can either win a trade or survive long enough to escape from them

first thing, the stats have to be ballanced to prevent cases where you just cant fight anyone because you will get melted once you get in their range, thats why morde and darius dont get to be the masters of damage consider this and notice that some champions get owerloaded with usefull stuff on top of good stats while some just deal damage and cant even get a high amount of it cause it causes toxicity

and now they update mordekaiser and still dont hink about giving him cc while completly wrecking his damage (old morde built like a tank deals better damage than new morde with the same build, and riot will enforce the tank build on him)

Tsunday2/16/2015, 4:38:55 PM3 votes

Naw I want to point and click my Solar Flare. The person I click on ends up being the mid point guaranteeing that I stun them and then the area around them ends up being in the slow radius. That way I can click on the middle guy and land 3-4 person ults with a guaranteed stun without trying.

Pvt Yong Tai2/16/2015, 4:48:01 PM3 votes

If you are dying to QR alone, then you're doing it wrong lol. It's not even a matter of "counterplay" at that point, you're dying from his most basic burst combo.

Mind you, if he doesn't land his stun, he's losing out on about 1000 damage from not being able to land W.

If you built QSS, you would likely have enough MR to survive his QR combo. After QR, you have 3 or 4 seconds even at level 18 to get back at him before he lands another Q.

Seems like you're the one who needs a counterplay video. If you can't survive Veigar's burst, you're dead, of course. Veigar has all of his damage put up front. Once you get past that damage wall he's an easy target.

You don't even have to come up with a tactic to beat Veigar. It's all in the strategy. If you can't/don't want to learn how to build a counter strategy, then you can eat your own words.

Old Man Teeto2/16/2015, 9:37:18 PM2 votes

I'd like the ability to pick

Blitzcrank Heimerdinger Ashe Anivia Karthus Mordekaiser Ryze TwistedFate Urgot Swain Singed Malphite Amumu Velkoz

And not feel that every champion on the enemy team is designed to counter me.

Stonington2/16/2015, 4:54:52 PM1 votes

I always thought the counter to Veigar was building merc treads so his comet doesn't hit you(edit:so you get out of his stun, so his comet doesn't hit you). Then you build penetrations items like haunting guise and abyssal so you don't juice up his ult. So even if you full combos you, you have extra hp and MR to deal with it.

That's pretty much why Veigar is a shit champion.

Sooko2/16/2015, 8:23:44 PM1 votes

{quoted} They say "just build QSS against veigar" this is false because veigar can just q+ulti and your dead without even landing his stun.

Okay, but they say "just build Zhonya's vs Zed" too. And this too is false, because a Zed can still poke infinitely after blowing his ult, and you can actually get out-kited by Zed even as a ranged champion.

I am by no means defending an all point-and-click meta, but its just cheap that dominant mobile champions become an excuse to make everything a skill-shot that can be dodged, while the low-counterplay of the skill still exists for the immobile ones. Skill-shots are pretty fun, IF you feel like you've actually got a chance to land them.

KaisadiIIa2/16/2015, 11:22:48 PM1 votes

They believe that being insta-stunned and killed by veigar has more counter play then flashing away from zed or landing cc on him and running.

Veigar has far more counterplay than Zed. Considering mobility is really overpowered, a dash + a point and click gapclose is far more unfair than a semi-targeted stun on a champion that lacks any mobility and has less damage output early game besides his R.

lojician2/16/2015, 11:28:17 PM1 votes

Counterplay is a good thing and riot would be correct to try to move the game towards having much more of it. But they're not doing that. Their desire for counterplay is limited to some champions and classes Olaf item 3143 and they give others a free pass. Kalista Lissandra

They aren't creating a game with more counterplay, they're creating a game where the champions they prefer to be good are inherently better and harder to deal with than those they don't like.