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Fcking Tyler··3 votes·778 views

Hello everyone! :) I'm in silver 5 struggling right now to climb last season I peaked at about Silver 1 promos to gold. Anyway, I'm trying to find outlets to improve my game, I have been working to improve my decision making but I really am looking for any series of videos I can watch, streamers or articles that teach the game. I acknowledge that I'm not amazing at the game, but I know I'm better at the game than the players around me. I find myself not losing games based off of my own deaths (I usually don't die solo but end up dying in fights because there's a massively fed tank or carry and my team doesn't have the items or levels to keep up). What I mean is if I do win a game its because my entire team does well. I guess what I'm attempting to get at is how do I carry my teammates if they feed and how do I prevent them from feeding in the first place? For those that think I'm joking, I got queued with someone that just reached 30 and went 0/18/3 and I had an int feeder who went 0/12/1 after some of my team flamed her. Again, I'm looking to really improve my overall knowledge of the game. Anyway, thanks for any and all feedback!

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Verxint3 votes

The biggest problem I see with most people in Bronze and Silver is basically not willing to accept what is happening. They always try to play and build like they're fed, they want to be fed, so they act like they're fed in the hopes that it might magically happen. They don't want to lose their tower, so they defend it and die and lose the tower anyway because sometimes they were able to defend it. Instead of making a judgement in each game and in each moment, they stubbornly try to play as if things were different.

This pattern extends itself to things like bad build paths, bad calls, bad trades in lane, bad allocation of jungle resources, and most of the symptoms of bad play you see in low ELO.

The advice I have for most low ELO people is simply

The game isn't always about you and what you want. You have to adapt yourself to what is happening, not try to get the game to adapt to you. You have to have respect.

Fcking Tyler1 votes

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The biggest problem I see with most people in Bronze and Silver is basically not willing to accept what is happening. They always try to play and build like they're fed, they want to be fed, so they act like they're fed in the hopes that it might magically happen. They don't want to lose their tower, so they defend it and die and lose the tower anyway because sometimes they were able to defend it. Instead of making a judgement in each game and in each moment, they stubbornly try to play as if things were different.

This pattern extends itself to things like bad build paths, bad calls, bad trades in lane, bad allocation of jungle resources, and most of the symptoms of bad play you see in low ELO.

The advice I have for most low ELO people is simply

The game isn't always about you and what you want. You have to adapt yourself to what is happening, not try to get the game to adapt to you. You have to have respect.

Thanks, I appreciate the advice, I'll try and keep that in mind. What about a situation where I'm fed with kills and cs but my team is extremely behind. Do I build tank or straight damage? Because what nearly always happens is, my team will get behind and build straight damage like you said lol.

Verxint1 votes

That's a difficult one. The honest answer I have to that situation is that you have to get so far ahead so quickly your team cant feed even if they try. And it only works if you're significantly better than the rank you're at.

If you can't do that, your best bet is usually to build damage and play towards clean up. Your enemies will be just as dumb and reckless, let everyone fight and then come in to kill. Of course this depends on your champ, but really if youre trying to hard carry low ELO you need to be a damage dealer. Remember that defense is still important, but don't expect to facetank fed enemies.

One trick I would do involved finding the one guy on the enemy team (he's almost always there) who just doesn't seem to get what your champion does and lets you destroy him when he should prevent it. Find that guy and abuse his stupidity. They'll often get angry and blame their team instead of adapting.

Climbing is about 50% raw gameplay skill and the other 50% is queue and human metagames. As a jungler, finding the guy on tilt and ganking him repeatedly. Or sometimes just the guy who never wards. As a top laner, getting the enemy top on tilt because they lose even 2v1. Or getting the enemy top on tilt because he constantly tries to kill you and you just ignore him. Knowing when to dodge your teamcomp or the guy named "GOSU MEETS FAKER". Remember that these are humans on and against your team, not robots. They all suffer from the same thing I mentioned, and when they don't get their way, they break down. Most people playing in low ELO won't know how to change what they're doing, or if they do, will do it too late.

Fcking Tyler1 votes

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That's a difficult one. The honest answer I have to that situation is that you have to get so far ahead so quickly your team cant feed even if they try. And it only works if you're significantly better than the rank you're at.

If you can't do that, your best bet is usually to build damage and play towards clean up. Your enemies will be just as dumb and reckless, let everyone fight and then come in to kill. Of course this depends on your champ, but really if youre trying to hard carry low ELO you need to be a damage dealer. Remember that defense is still important, but don't expect to facetank fed enemies.

One trick I would do involved finding the one guy on the enemy team (he's almost always there) who just doesn't seem to get what your champion does and lets you destroy him when he should prevent it. Find that guy and abuse his stupidity. They'll often get angry and blame their team instead of adapting.

Climbing is about 50% raw gameplay skill and the other 50% is queue and human metagames. As a jungler, finding the guy on tilt and ganking him repeatedly. Or sometimes just the guy who never wards. As a top laner, getting the enemy top on tilt because they lose even 2v1. Or getting the enemy top on tilt because he constantly tries to kill you and you just ignore him. Knowing when to dodge your teamcomp or the guy named "GOSU MEETS FAKER". Remember that these are humans on and against your team, not robots. They all suffer from the same thing I mentioned, and when they don't get their way, they break down. Most people playing in low ELO won't know how to change what they're doing, or if they do, will do it too late.

Ok thanks for the tip, appreciated it.

Pupel2 votes

get really good at one champ this way you limit mechanical errors. try not to fight if you have pushing waves. after 20 min always look for chances to take baron. Roam if you are stomping lane killing another laner is usualy better than killing your for the 5th time. If ahead really push to get towers

Fcking Tyler1 votes

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get really good at one champ this way you limit mechanical errors. try not to fight if you have pushing waves. after 20 min always look for chances to take baron. Roam if you are stomping lane killing another laner is usualy better than killing your for the 5th time. If ahead really push to get towers

I have done that with zed but at the moment I'm playing with a broken hand so I'm trying to play less mechanically challenging champions. But I know what you mean just by playing zed a lot I nearly got gold haha. Thanks for the advice! :)

AstroFerrari 1 votes

For all this advice you're getting, if you're playing solo, you have use this advice really really good. And learn to freeze lanes. I'm just struggling against premades at the moment.

Fcking Tyler1 votes

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For all this advice you're getting, if you're playing solo, you have use this advice really really good. And learn to freeze lanes. I'm just struggling against premades at the moment.

Yeah. :/ I know how that feels, I played against a four man premade and my team was like 10x less communicative and cooperative. But it is what it is unfortunately.

Deviantdev1 votes

Your rank is a reflection of two factors X= how much you play, and Y=how well you do. X*Y=your rank. If any of those numbers are shit you will never climb. You are never going to get anywhere playing 1 game a day (unless your goal is like gold 5). If you suck every game you won't go anywhere either.

I suppose you could always become a woman and entice 4 young boys to carry you to diamond 5.

Fcking Tyler1 votes

{quoted}

Your rank is a reflection of two factors X= how much you play, and Y=how well you do. X*Y=your rank. If any of those numbers are shit you will never climb. You are never going to get anywhere playing 1 game a day (unless your goal is like gold 5). If you suck every game you won't go anywhere either.

I suppose you could always become a woman and entice 4 young boys to carry you to diamond 5.

Haha yeah. I've been playing well over one game a day I've been playing like four at least. What I'm trying to say is that my individual performance usually isn't bad, I just don't know how to win the game playing with people that don't understand the game. Not saying I understand it perfectly but I usually do well enough to justify a win. Thanks for the advice and pseudo formula. :P

BluePolarizer1 votes

  1. you must first realize you are terribad. like, truly terrible and among the lowest of the low. only when you accept that you have hit rock bottom can you climb.

  2. accept reality. the state of the game is what it is; your reaction to it will decide whether you win by a hair or lose by a stomp. do NOT fantasize that you are fed under any circumstances and do NOT act as if you are a 6 slotted Vayne.

  3. recognize some simple mathematical facts of your games. Not the game overall, but YOUR games. Measure the average gold income of your position in your elo and what you have. Measure the average game length. Plan your games accordingly.

  4. DO NOT EVER EVER EVER THINK "I DO WELL EVERY GAME MY TEAM FEEDS" unless you objectively go back and PROVE IT. Measure your average KDA over the past 20 ranked games, op.gg does this for you. Unless it is over 3.0 with a kill participation over 50%, you are NOT fed every game, you are NOT doing well every game and your team is NOT holding you back.

  5. Learn to not be heavy. The game isn't about you. You will do bad sometimes; your reaction to when you do bad will determine if you are the ballast that drags your team down or the lifesaver that keeps your team above water.

Fcking Tyler1 votes

{quoted}

  1. you must first realize you are terribad. like, truly terrible and among the lowest of the low. only when you accept that you have hit rock bottom can you climb.

  2. accept reality. the state of the game is what it is; your reaction to it will decide whether you win by a hair or lose by a stomp. do NOT fantasize that you are fed under any circumstances and do NOT act as if you are a 6 slotted Vayne.

  3. recognize some simple mathematical facts of your games. Not the game overall, but YOUR games. Measure the average gold income of your position in your elo and what you have. Measure the average game length. Plan your games accordingly.

  4. DO NOT EVER EVER EVER THINK "I DO WELL EVERY GAME MY TEAM FEEDS" unless you objectively go back and PROVE IT. Measure your average KDA over the past 20 ranked games, op.gg does this for you. Unless it is over 3.0 with a kill participation over 50%, you are NOT fed every game, you are NOT doing well every game and your team is NOT holding you back.

  5. Learn to not be heavy. The game isn't about you. You will do bad sometimes; your reaction to when you do bad will determine if you are the ballast that drags your team down or the lifesaver that keeps your team above water.

I understand what you're saying but I don't really agree, I mean honestly I do have 1 to 3 bad games on my recent but on the other losses I have around 3 to 5 deaths I'm positive and most of the time good kill participation like you said excluding a few games where I acknowledge my mistakes. And to respond to your first point, I know lol thats why I'm here. I know even gold is eh. But anyway thanks for the help. :)

Baby Ghoul1 votes

Worry about yourself, first and foremost.

I think that is the most important thing to remember when you're climbing low ELO as a solo player. It took me a while to understand that. This season I am a support main, and I do think it is important to trust yourself and your choices.

If you see a teammate who has over extended without vision, ignored pings, and is now being chased, do not go help them. You will just die with them and make the situation worse. It took me sooooo long to understand that. You can win the game if one teammate fed, so don't make the uphill battle steeper than it has to be.

Another tip I would give you is pay attention to the meta, and the meta in your specific League. So in Silver, ask yourself who is strongest. For Silver I always ban Volibear, Amumu, Blitzcrank, Ekko, Brand, or Annie. Lucian is currently a good one to consider also. Don't ban them if you see your teammate is about to pick one of those champions though because that's rude.

A champion that is strong in Platinum or Diamond may not preform as well in Silver for a variety of reasons, maybe they have a higher skill floor or maybe they are only strong in team fights. Understanding the differences and the league you are currently in will help so much.

People really hate the meta, but you need to follow it to better your chances at climbing up. I honestly believe that most people stuck in Silver are people who don't pay attention patch notes and meta shifts. That doesn't mean abuse a FoTM champion, but that also doesn't mean you should pick something that is lackluster in this patch. Some champions are just easier to play and get ahead with because the nature of low ELO in connection with the simplicity or power of their kit/builds.

The last thing I would say is always look at your team composition in champion select, and learn to play a tank or two very well. Many people in Silver do not like to play tanks at the moment, and I don't know why. I've seen so many teams lately that are way too squishy and AP heavy. It always ends terribly because even though team fights are not as coordinated and frequent as in higher ELO, they are just as crucial.

We're probably in the same place. I was Gold 5 last year, and this season I decided to switch to a support main. I dipped into Silver 5 for one game, and now I'm back up at Silver 2.

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