Riot's vain attempts to introduce outplay potential

Gnar Is A Cat·2/25/2020, 8:06:24 AM·1 votes·4,254 views

These were the champions released and reworked in 2015 and 2016: Kindred Gangplank Fiora Poppy Ekko Bard Illaoi Tahm Kench Jhin Kled Aurelion Sol Ivern Taliyah Camille Shen Taric Yorick

In my opinion, these were the golden years, where most to all of the champions had something new in terms of mechanics, were relatively balanced (ignore immediate release cause anyone around in 2015 will remember release Ekko) and wouldn't kill you in a single ability. (also notice how only six of them have out of combat dashes and none of them have invis). Compare that to the champion releases (and reworks) in 2018 and 2019: Swain Akali Irelia Aatrox Kaisa Pyke Nunu & Willump Aphelios Senna Yuumi Sylas Qiyana Kayle Morgana Neeko 5 of them have invis and 6 of them have out of combat dashes (Irelia isn't out of combat but still insanely mobile in combat). And almost every single one of them with the exceptions of the tanks and supports: Nunu, Yuumi, Kayle, Morgana, can or has one shot someone.

Riot is constantly pumping out new champs with 'new' stuff to introduce outplay potential. But really, it's not new, and there's no outplaying getting one shot. As much as it's not that fun if every single champ has a dash and a stealth and an execute and can 1 shot you, I'd be tempted to say the major lack of true enjoyment in League for me comes from the power creep. If Akali couldn't one shot someone and you saw an Akali play around her shroud and 'dance' around everyone, it would be the next "Faker, what, was, that?" But everyone has dashes, everyone has invis, and everyone one shots you. There's no skill expression in killing someone within 0.5 seconds coming straight out of invis from 2 screens away. Faker's famous 1v1 was awesome for a reason, no one had seen a skill level that high. He didn't one shot Ryu, and he 'danced' around him perfectly.

You'd also be surprised as how much more viable comebacks might become if your entire team doesn't just get one shot by that Vlad or Kat

Nerf damage across the entire board. If you nerf damage globally, you will be surprised at the level of skill expression that re-emerges. Because mages don't get one shot and actually have an opportunity to fight back and outplay the assassin trying to kill them, you'll see Cassio and Ori and Syndra re-emerge because they have insanely high skill caps, and insanely high outplay potential. And if that assassin still manages to get you, you can at least sit back and think, "That Zed is really ****ing good, he landed all his q's, slotted his e's and autos perfectly into his combo, and used his shadows and flash to dodge everything I had." That's, an outplay.

29 Comments

Kaisha2/25/2020, 12:00:16 PM5 votes

Riot's never attempted to do anything. They just randomly change whatever sht they feel like changing, then make up silly excuses on the boards. They buff/nerf champs on a whim, or because someone kicked their ass in game, or to sell skins.

Posui Gart2/25/2020, 10:29:37 AM4 votes

Fiora Ekko Tahm Kench

Ah yes, the examples of perfect balance and good design

ignore immediate release cause anyone around in 2015 will remember release Ekko

Idk, Ekko wasn't really balanced at any time.

you'll see Cassio and Ori and Syndra re-emerge because they have insanely high skill caps, and insanely high outplay potential

Cassiopeia already re-emerged and Ori never was out of meta

And if that assassin still manages to get you, you can at least sit back and think, "That Zed is really **ing good, he landed all his q's, slotted his e's and autos perfectly into his combo, and used his shadows and flash to dodge everything I had." That's, an outplay.

So, unless Zed is a smurf, he isn't supposed to get a kill at all? You can't really expect a class of champions that rely on snowballing to only be able to kill someone if they execute everything perfectly. Meanwhile we have a class of champions whose damage output is not reliant on skill at all, and they are only balanced by being squishy so they must position themselves perfectly. Lowering everyone's damage will make them much safer.

2gudaiya2/25/2020, 8:18:42 PM4 votes

wait, you're holding up fiora, tahm and poppy as brilliant pieces of design? KUEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE think i'll go browse da youtubes again. [sg-miss-fortune]

Unshakable2/25/2020, 9:22:08 AM3 votes

I hate that riot removed the ability to upvote posts, because I love like 90% of what you said, and the 10% that I didn't like was just the comment about mages being weak.

ZephyrDrake2/25/2020, 8:13:43 PM2 votes

you know that Morgana didn't change at all right? all she got was a graphical update. Her abilities don't behave any differently. The only thing she got was extra MS when she ults… which is largely pointless in most cases.

Also can you do something useful other than list names? and say useless info that is insanely false like Swain one shotting you? if a Swain is one shotting you then I feel incredibly sorry for you. Akali is an assassin. Do you know what an assassin is meant to do? and even her isn't able to kill you that fast anyways due to her needing to use her passive which requires her to constantly be moving away from you and going back towards you. Like I find this incredibly hilariously bad.

2gudaiya2/25/2020, 8:17:25 PM2 votes

every release, bar fiora, is beautiful. you are just a hater. stay mad, stay bad.

LanceTheJungler2/25/2020, 12:49:43 PM1 votes

I disagree with just nerfing all damage and no other changes. I believe that ADC's honestly just need to be completely removed as a class. They are what require burst in this game to be so high. Because if they aren't getting oneshot then they are putting out 300-600 damage auto attacks that heal them for 150 health per auto every .3 seconds. After that we can see to reducing assassins scaling so that snowballing isn't so much of an issue, and resistances are actually useful.

Troll Slaiyer2/26/2020, 1:51:29 AM1 votes

only good rework was fiora anyone who think otherwise is a hater and they should stay mad and or bad.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

vgamedude2/26/2020, 5:03:36 AM1 votes

"Outplay" Potential is literally just a simpler word for "let the marksmen dodge their attacks and play around their abilities while they can't play around auto attacks".

Literally all it means. All of these other champs get all these complex abilities, skillshots and more and marksmen are still just sitting there AAing them down. Real fun.