Thoughts on new Eve?

WarlordzofLol·10/20/2017, 10:03:12 PM·6 votes·907 views

So i tried to play the reworked Evelynn and i must say at first i was kinda impressed by the rework. But then i actually queued for ranked and while the early game was fine later on everyone scaled tanks became strong and u couldnt assasinate anyone. So my question is where is the new evelynn's place in this meta and in the game as whole. She has some good single target burst and a charm but is that enough for someone to actually play her. Plus why are her stats still the same??? She has rank 2 dmg (should be 3), she absolutely has no utilty now (still rank 2) and she has no MS or dashes (not counting the E). Thx [slayer-jinx-wink]

30 Comments

Hexs Fortune10/20/2017, 11:04:08 PM7 votes

Love everything about new eve but the gameplay. Too many feels bad moments. Her play pattern is hyper rigid and doesn't allow for competency unless things go 100 percent her way. Doesn't snowball like other assassins. Weaker than Kayn early, which says alot.

also the lvl 1 ult cd is way too long

Very Hard Engage10/20/2017, 10:09:26 PM4 votes

3/10 only brings damage, target is too telegraphed and her damage is too conditional. is not viable despite having overtuned numbers already.

Linna Excel10/21/2017, 12:40:18 AM3 votes

She needs another rework.

I know everyone loves how she looks now, but her kit can't healthily support both stealth and CC. Right now both are gimped because of the other and taking up a lot of her power budget. Riot really needs to pick either stealth or CC and commit to that on her kit.

warpenguin55510/21/2017, 12:35:42 AM3 votes

Her character is great, her kit is undertuned and too reliant on her ult to kill anything

Kai Guy10/21/2017, 6:40:39 AM2 votes

Her Q has the highest base damage and scaling of all assassins basic ability's Disregarding if some one was to stand on a shaco jib for full duration, Zed might be able to out do her off a Q cast but the requirement for that is to have used w and R then land 3 skillshots onto said target, eve can just Q once then follow up with the remaining charges. Her W is a very common complaint, but its still a strong duration cc scaling up to 2 seconds, be it a slow or charm. It shreds mr which rewards your entire kit for when you nail the best case, plus all magic damage champs on team benefit from that aspect of it.

Her E gets super strong as the game goes on due to its scaling % damage, but its actual base damage scaling per level is terrible... which is fine because as is you can just put 1 point into this ability and max it last. (maxed it only gets 80 damage compared to level 1... for empowered. if you don't have the demon shade boost you get a meager 60 damage difference between level 1 and maxed. it scales of enemy levels and items due to %hp mechanics. basically I'm saying folks, please stahp maxing e. her Q gets 50 damage per point you put in it, max that for damage.)

I love her ulti. You can dip out of bad situations, you can hambush folks, you can multikill cleanup fights, and its a great finisher when your trying to 1v1 some one. I cant stress enough how much better eve feels once you start to use her ulti for more then just executes. Unlike Veigar or urgot you can be flexible with your ulti usage. I know folks disagree with me on this, and that's fine. Here are some in game examples of what I mean by flexible ulti usage. If riot where to let me buff 1 thing on eve to make her broken it would probably be to add damage in a small aoe around her teleport location, hell wouldn't even need it to be able to trigger the "execute" aspect. (I tried to show items in most the clips. several are from matches I got rather fat, just want to be transparent on that.) Also as I have become more confident playing her I find item 3152 to become more and more of a situational item then core.

Like most assassins or other opportunistic champions eve can feel really bad when shes in a famine game, as well as games where the enemy team does not make many mistakes or give you windows to play around. That being said, with her invisibility, W duration, and burst shes entirely capable of creating opportunity's for her self and team, many times in situations other assassins would be incapable of it due to her invis. Also once her passive ramps up you can get fairly aggressive on trades and be pretty obnoxious as you move back camo and return to high health.

All in all, pretty high requirements to play well, can be feast or famine, she wont be for everybody. This said its not nearly as bad as the unending flood of QQing posts make her out to be. If your on the fence my rule of thumb is to play a champ 10 or so games before making a verdict on them. If you feel your making impact on games or can improve to the point of making impact and enjoy the champion then absolutely play them. I'm all about folks embracing their own playstyles and developing their skills in personally relevant ways, not to wild about mindlessly chasing metas that pros and streamers play. Different elos have different metas, and I wish folks would just embrace that and try to hunt down whats good for where they are at as well as what they themselves are good with.

Rebonack10/21/2017, 12:58:30 AM2 votes

I'll reiterate that Riot needs to remove either Stealth or the Charm from Eve's kit, because so long as she has both she's going to have to feel awful to play as.

I would prefer to the keep Stealth, personally. Want Skirmisher Eve back.

Kidorah10/21/2017, 4:09:50 PM1 votes

People are conplainning about her damage or utility in teamfight.... you people need to understand that her strong point right now is her early game gank... she must make her team win to win mid and late game, she's just like a lee sin...amaing early - mid game..useless late....i won 2 game with her and i won them ganking again and again and again even if it put me behind...until my team can start doing anything they want....but i spam the sht out of them to take objectif after kill i never make solo play play, in team fight i try to us my slow to peel for my adc that and when i saw a low hp target that i can execute i simply follow them to kill them with my ulti. that the only way i find to play her... make your team win arly , keep getting objectif, be a shotcaller, don't do solo...she might seem like an assasin but she's only one in the early-mid game, late game you have to peel and kill low hp player.

Karn Bishop10/21/2017, 9:37:08 PM1 votes

The kit might be solid if they were willing to make damage / soft CC not break invisibility and have the invisibility detection radius shrink with level.

Why would this fix a lot of things? because part of the difficulty of procing W is that you have to be 9 miles away due to invisibility radius but if it shrank for every point in R or certain levels it would allow her to reach and pace targets faster in the mid and late game.

O Fallen Scholar10/21/2017, 12:30:42 AM1 votes

item 3151 item 3135 ?

OverpoweredSoap10/21/2017, 3:40:46 AM1 votes

I think people are overacting with how bad they consider her kit.

I think there are some easier ways to balance new Eve rather than Old Eve, but I rarely played old eve so my opinion on that is probably moot.

Adjusting how her charm works alone has the power to make her stronger or weaker.

I personally think they will need to change her E though, maybe give it a longer range but make it a skillshot or something to that effect, because its range is pitiful right now.

Azadethe10/21/2017, 4:38:43 AM1 votes

Personally.... I love playing her and have sacrificed a couple ranks to learn her in ranked. But, I'm getting there. When thinking or speculating about her kit, and coming to some predrawn conclusion about what items must be her core, I think people are kind of sabotaging her potential in their games.

When people play her assuming that she needs her charm to actually carry, they generally do themselves more harm than good, and while they might manage a 9-11 kill game, their damage footprint is low because they just never actually engage anything unless through their conditional Q's and W's.

If you play her meta kit, I agree. She is in a rough spot. However, if you expand your mage potential, you'll find she is able to do crazy scores not only in KDA, but in overall damage (meta average damage is like 12k per game to champs), and be oppressive in a team fight by bombing away 900-1800 hp off their entire team.

I'm going to copy/paste another Evelynn post, and show what she can actually do a bit:

Okay. I just wanted to leave this here. It's not the best ELO game, but I just had my first massive damage Eve game since the rework.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Ku4VaZS.png[/img]

I've been playing with different mage builds on her, and I've found one that actually acts like a monster. I got my E's up to 1400+ a hit, and R up to 918-1836.

And no. It didn't need a proto belt, even vs an Ezreal, Vayne, Anivia. My move speed was enough to make it work, and I was 2 sec shredding farm (notice the 180 cs on a champ that normally has trouble getting 60-80 without impeding her gameplay)

I'm not saying this is normal performance, but it shows that when she's a monster, she can be a monster.

P.S. I pretty much never charmed after 16 minutes or so. I just dived with E, Q spammed, and Ulted when the other team grouped and was about to cc (hence the only 13 kills). You'll notice only 9 Crowd controls (9 charms).

PokladnicaZla10/21/2017, 9:32:17 AM1 votes

Why the fck did you play a nearly released champion in ranked?

The only thing she really needs is bigger base MS and more E range if her charm is charged.

ThunderSkelett10/21/2017, 11:06:41 AM1 votes

Our thought don't Count riot i too scared to buff her*[slayer-jinx-wink]*