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8/7/0 is not better than 0/7/20

Dryditch·3/5/2016, 2:25:13 PM·147 votes·7,206 views

You may be positive in kills/deaths, and doing shit-all to help your team. You may also be without a single kill, but have an assist on everything by throwing out serious CC or stopping enemies dead in their tracks and dying to secure objectives.

I'm sick and tired of seeing team flame the tank or the support for not being "positive" when they only look at the first two numbers.

EDIT: I see a lot of people posting that they think this about KDA, which means they read only the title and ignored the post. I'm saying that a score has to be evaluated based on contribution to the game, whether that be objectives taken, healing done, CC delivered, or kills themselves.

168 Comments

TaoistMaster3/5/2016, 5:16:28 PM57 votes

Only the Nexus matters item 3512

Slamurai Jack3/5/2016, 7:07:23 PM40 votes

A lot of it really depends on the champ. A 8/7/0 Katarina tells me the story of a Kat on a heavily losing team that is still managing to scrape out some kills here and there but is getting no assists because her team can never finish anyone off on their own. A 0/7/20 Katarina tells me the story of a Kat that's basically worthless and is doing nothing but piggybacking off her teams success because a Katarina that's doing even remotely well should get at least a few kills.

Canidae3/5/2016, 5:53:06 PM27 votes

There is no "better." All that matters in regards to dealing with the enemy is dmg output, kill participation, and NOT DYING (objective control and farming is for a different rant). 8/7/0 may not be better than 0/7/20 but neither paints a full picture, and both suck.

Br4ndon3/5/2016, 10:53:56 PM15 votes

Well actually its the way you get to 7 deaths. If youre dying 7 times by 10 minutes but get 20 assist later you still fed really hard and made things difficult for your team. But you die 7 times over 40 minutes while getting 8 priority target kills during that same time you probably helped your team more than hurt it.

Bloodhawk953/5/2016, 7:25:10 PM11 votes

3/3/20 on Janna. The enemy mid laner with more kills than me says my KD ratio sucks. God people are dumb

jQuery3/6/2016, 4:36:50 AM8 votes

Well the coefficient is called KDA

K+A/D So: 8/7/0 =1.43 and 0/7/20=2.9 Number wise it is definitely not better.

But lets talk how important is this to collecting the main asset that brings you closer to victory - GOLD. Its a little hard to calculate but lets just try and make some crude math just to make a rough picture. There are many scenarios but lets include just the most basic/extreme ones;

Just kills guy:

  • Gets first blood and afterwards gets killed and then revenges every re-spawn with 1 kill to a champion in a "first death state": He will earn 2500g and would give away 2450g; Team gold difference for your team from his income of KDA is +50 gold

  • Gets first blood and goes "Unstoppable" on "2nd death" targets then gets killed 5 times in a row then again on a "Killing spree" on a "2nd death" and gets killed 2 more times: He will earn 2325g and would give away 1783g ; Gold difference from his KDA +542

Just assists guy:

  • Gets 20 shared assists with one more team member on a "1th death" state: He will earn 3000g and would give away 1314g; Team gold difference from his KDA income is 1686g

  • Gets 20 shared assists with 2 more team members on a "2nd death" state: He will earn 1833g and would give away 1314g; Team gold difference from his KDA income is 519g

  • Only assists in 5v5, gets 20 shared assists with 4 more team members on a "3th death" state: He will earn 1100g and would give away 1314g;Team gold difference from his KDA income is -214g

Firstly, these examples above just prove how stupid these fights and flaming over KDA are! The results vary with such an amplitude in gold income from case to case. And that is just Gold. Not even talking about if the kill/death was worth map pressure, like turret or securing a Baron or even an ACE or an Inhibitor.

If you died 5 times being ganked after split-push and after securing a turret, or defending a carry as a support in a team fight - GJ u have my honor.

Who ever starts a discussion like that, is not trying to win with all focus anymore. He is trying to feel better for the lost game. So as a support I always respond "Yeah, I suck", the kid feels better and i mute him while I try to def.

EvilRabbitt3/5/2016, 6:42:13 PM5 votes

I actually think the one with no kills is doing better. If you keep killing, your gold value resets- so dying that much means (theoretically) the 8/7/0 gave 2100 gold whereas the 0/7/20 would have been 300-30x=1470 (my math may be off, but its roughly a 30 gold loss per death). So the assist machine is doing way more for my team. Imo.

macromite3/5/2016, 6:41:18 PM5 votes

its not kd, or kda, its objectives.

alfavhunter3/5/2016, 5:23:44 PM5 votes

I once when's 1/5/27 as Janna and my adc wanted to report me for feeding...

(That 1 kill was a lee sin trying to tower dive me, he couldn't escape the tempest)

Croiss3/7/2016, 4:10:04 AM3 votes

"Muh killstreak." lmfao

Banuvan3/5/2016, 9:04:52 PM3 votes

Dying 7 times should be an anomaly anyway. That's a shitload of deaths. I agree with the premise of your statement though. It's K/D/A not just K/D. People are ultimately stupid though and as soon as they discount assists and tryuing to bitch at somebody without counting them into the equation they go on mute and reported for griefing.

Jeddy0173/5/2016, 9:44:49 PM3 votes

Let's see.... 8/7/0 is someone who randomly tower dives for the kill but ends up giving gold back to the enemy.Or someone who gets a kill from during the enemy gank but still dies.Meaning that someone on the enemy team gets gold from the kill & the other gets assist gold (which is better than nothing).Basically that player who says "Worth" in the chat when it wasn't really worth. 0/7/20 is basically someone who died for your sins KDA.

Nameless Voice3/5/2016, 10:09:08 PM3 votes

What annoys me more is when assassins go 10/10/4. An assassin isn't really doing anything useful if they die for each of their kills, unless that's in a teamfight and their sacrifice allowed their team to win the teamfight.

I'd usually rather have a 3/1/4 assassin than a 10/10/4 one.

MrNuclearPumpkin3/6/2016, 1:45:00 AM3 votes

Hmm neither of those are important. If you want to know the important numbers, look up wards placed, towers destroyed, damage taken (if there's a tank), damage dealt to champions.

KDA honestly means very little and only shows a pretty unreliable method of how a match goes.

Example: ADC Jhin ends a game at 20/15/10, most kills on the team, but also the most deaths. You see that the Lulu support ends with 1/0/30. And a few others kills, deaths and assists are all over the team.

Going by pure KDA, it looks like the Jhin hard carried. But if you go into more detail, such as damage dealt to champions, you'll see that the ADC had the least damage dealt to champions on the whole team.

You'll also see that the tank (Mundo, Malphite, Maokai, etc) tanked more damage than the ADC dealt out and that every team member bought about 4-6 vision wards and everyone placed from 10 wards being the lowest, to 40 wards being the highest. ....then you see that the ADC bought 0 vision wards, placed maybe 4 wards all game and didn't even upgrade their trinket.

The end result? The Jhin was pretty much just last hitting the champions that everyone else softened up, ether by sniping them with his ultimate or his long ranged W.

You cannot judge how well someone is doing by their KDA alone.

I don't care if the support is going 10/0 during the mid game, if they don't have a sightstone and aren't helping with vision.

I don't care if the jungler is going 8/0 but hasn't been able to secure a single objective.

KDA's are just there to boost your ego. The sooner people start actually looking for the stats that matter, the sooner we'll stop having folks saying that the 1/5/30 Janna is feeding.

Whiteeye Avelyn3/7/2016, 2:50:21 AM3 votes

8/7/0 is only eight kills for one person, 0/7/20 means at least 20 kills around your team, Ill take the second any day

GenghisEmo3/6/2016, 1:31:07 AM2 votes

"So others may Live!" -that supp taking enemy blitz hook for adc cause adc cant position.

Llanite3/5/2016, 6:54:04 PM2 votes

If you are either tank or support who does not engage in glassy build business, you should not have that many deaths. Especially no one focuses on your.

8/7 is as ok as 0/3/20.

Lord Galvatron3/6/2016, 5:29:17 AM2 votes

I'm guessing most people don't realize this

KDA DOES NOT MATTER

If you go 0/100/0 but you did something that contributed to your team eventually winning the game it's ok. Ex: Singed

It's not if you can get the most kills, or assists, or gold. The goal is to destroy the enemy nexus, any way you can do so before they destroy yours. (As stated by Taoist Master).

No person who is good at league of legends would use their kda as a way to cover their ass if they lose the game. Of course assists matter, the people who don't believe that are bad at league of legends, simple as that.

Huang Po3/6/2016, 6:19:11 AM2 votes

fuck riot

PeachsProperty3/6/2016, 6:36:12 AM2 votes

Personally the "kill" credit should be given to the one who did the most damage to the champion.

Chaos Milk Tea3/6/2016, 9:20:04 AM2 votes

You need to count at least 1/3 of your assists, and subtract deaths

also, +2 points for every objective you took

Being the guy who split pushed four towers and getting no recognition, feelsbadman

RIPya3/6/2016, 5:09:28 PM2 votes

the moment u play amumu jungle and your teammates flame you beeing 3:8 noob, while u engage all fights, tank hard and have actually 3:8:20 :D

NostolgicSkies3/5/2016, 8:10:09 PM2 votes

i've been playing Illaoi trying to learn more about her play style and what not, and i find i get a lot of assist during Illaoi ult. not that i didnt do most the dmg its just tent. sometimes have a gap in between hits. sometimes i end up 14/5 sometimes i end 1/8/18 or something similar. but in the end no matter my score i usually end up 2nd for highest dmg out put in most games. so i guess score really depends less on KDA and more on the circumstances and contribution statistics (dmg dealt/towers down etc. . .)of the game. same can be said like with Katarina . your team can do all the dmg in a team fight but that doesnt stop Katarina from reset KSing the whole fight and walking away like she was top notch at 20/4 but rly all she did was just shunpo last hit champs.

mogonk3/5/2016, 7:35:01 PM1 votes

What frustrates me is more that people don't understand that 1/0/3 is better than 9/6/3.