No, but for real, how do I counter PLAY LeBlanc?

Doctor Jarvis·5/16/2016, 2:39:17 PM·55 votes·15,222 views

Just to get this out of the way, yes, I DID just lose to a LeBlanc. Yes, I AM a little salty about it. Yes, I picked a champ that doesn't do very well into LeBlanc (Kassadin). And yeah, there were plenty of factors that led to that loss (their team was objectively better than ours)

But, for real, what's the game plan when you see that LeBlanc pick? Let's assume you're not counter picking here, because I already know how to play Fizz and I don't need to be told to just pick him. I mean, if you are playing a champion that doesn't just straight counter her, what's the plan? Try to CC her during her dash? Actually a fine plan; one I could not utilize, but it is a fine plan. Other than that though (and the obvious "kill her first, dummy") I really can't think of (or find) any other answers. I just CAN'T play this match-up unless I'm playing a Fizz. Its the most frustrating match-up ever. I can't farm, I can't roam (except to counter her's), and even on the occasions I get ahead I rarely see this "falling off" point everyone keeps talking about; she pretty much stays a terrifying assassin 100% of the time in every game I see her.

I mean, I have a list of grievances with her entire kit I won't bore anyone with (unless they ask) but I seriously just want to know what the fuck I'm supposed to do here when I'm NOT playing a champion that just murders her.

EDIT Okay there's actually a lot of good stuff here. I appreciate all the effort you guys have put in (and the humor of the trolls that also came in). I probably still won't enjoy seeing her, but maybe eventually I'll learn to not fucking hate it.

141 Comments

Doctor Jarvis5/16/2016, 3:27:47 PM35 votes

There are entirely too many rational people on this board right now...Im scared.

EndlessSorcerer5/16/2016, 2:47:47 PM30 votes
  1. Grab early health and MR to deny her the kills she needs to snowball. The following items are great for this: item 1056 item 3010 item 3001 item 3060 item 3155 item 3211 item 3116

  2. If need be, take Flat MR Quints and Glyphs too.

  3. Keep the river warded (and call MIAs) to prevent her from getting kills in other lanes. Later in the game, ward the map and track her so she doesn't get picks.

  4. Farm up so that you can out-scale her in teamfights. While she is still a terror in 1v1 fights and picking people off, she is much weaker during teamfights (especially if she has to W and Mimic-W to reach squishy targets past the front-line.

  5. Shoving Leblanc under her tower works quite well too if you can ensure that the wave will reset to a safe position for you afterwards. She isn't great at farming under the tower and if she is using her W to counter-shove you, then she isn't using it to kill you.

Maximum Morde5/16/2016, 2:39:50 PM23 votes

You pick Galio.

dragon eis5/16/2016, 2:50:53 PM15 votes

nothing, just accept your fate, killing lb is rocket science or a good placed pinkward does ruin her day aswell

Live2LetDie5/16/2016, 2:48:28 PM8 votes

You won't dodge her q or w but if you dodge her chains then you can do massive amounts of return damage.

Kass is actually a good champ against considering not his point and click q gives him a shield which neglects some of her damage and he can follow her when she blinks back to hit her while she is on CD.

If you are a squish immobile Mage then you are playing into what she excels at.

Eskimo5035/17/2016, 4:16:39 AM7 votes

Cho'Gath. In fact, if they pick any assassin Zed Talon Leblanc Katarina Fizz Diana Pick Cho'Gath. Innate bonus health and a 2.5 seconds silence? QUIET Chogath

Devo Hes5/17/2016, 1:31:48 AM7 votes

The best way to beat a Leblanc (without a counter pick) is to not die in lane and counter build her. If you are a Mage go with abyssal/roa (or both). Even with champions that do counter her they typically lose at lvl 2. I play a bit of lb and I have to play very aggressive if I want to carry. If I don't get ahead I don't win. Use that mindset to your advantage. She's going to zone you hard at lvl 2, your options here are get 2 first and all on before she gets the lvl, or you allow her to zone you and skip out on some cs while asking for ganks. If she's being aggressive she will most likely push you under turret which leaves her at risk. Have your jg wait in bush till she wastes her w (bait it if you need to)

Tldr - play passive, don't feed, out scale, counter build

Hope this helps

alfavhunter5/16/2016, 10:39:20 PM5 votes

Banner of command is actually a good early item vs her

Because she cannot roam without losing her tower now and you can just play the farm game

When she roams push the wave banner a minion recall come to lane full mana and hp while she returns from a failed roam and lost HP on her tower

Tsugaga5/16/2016, 3:12:22 PM5 votes

Rush Abyssal Scepter, it works very well, and it's better now than before it's recent rework. Dodge her chains, shove lane, and use teleport to get an item advantage, barrier to mitigate damage, or exhaust to seriously lower her burst(best in team fights). If you play like this, play carefully, play well, and use MIA ping, then you should have a much easier time.

Wyrmblade5/16/2016, 11:17:45 PM5 votes

The trick to Leblanc is to hope the person playing her is really bad.

Amelie5/16/2016, 2:54:16 PM4 votes

My tactic is to have a special rune page for LeBlanc. It has a lot of magic resist runes. This stops her from bullying me at level 2+. If I can, I pick something that will shove the lane, like Morgana. LB doesn't like farming under turret - she has to use all her abilities just to last hit.

My first item is always negatron cloak. I don't care if I have zero damage. My main concern is to NOT feed her. I also buy a pink ward for the jungle path towards bot lane. If she roams, I always warn the team.

LeBlanc falls off because teams are supposed to buy magic resist so she can't burst anyone. Your whole team should do that. When she roams, you don't follow her - that's a suicide mission. You shove waves and get mid turret ASAP.

PentaJuke5/16/2016, 5:02:09 PM4 votes

Kassadin actually wins trades gainst LeBlanc, but in the end in a level 6 all in its all about skill, for example if she w in instantly you can retreat or you can go to her initial spot but she can then e r q for some serious damag and auto you.

Sypher The Poro5/16/2016, 10:27:25 PM3 votes

If I'm playing mid lane, on the rare occasion, into LeBlanc I usually do the following:

Champions: Riven Zed Quinn

All three can rush item 3156, have great roaming potential, and the damage to out duel LB. Riven: If she tries for the QW combo in lane, simply E towards her to block a majority of the damage follow up by a WQ double cast to hold her in place and do some free damage. It will force her to back off or risk instant death. Riven's pre-6 is much better than LeBlanc's, and post 6 Riven can meet her in burst too. Riven's R2 (Windslash) is a skillshot so LB's passive won't allow her to dodge it. Zed: Can farm safely from range with his W and Q, along with poking LB down. Level 6 he can dodge her QRW combo with his ultimate before turning the damage back on her. Quinn: Her E can cancel LB's W completely, negating the damage. Her ultimate also allows her to roam even better.

Vistha Kai5/16/2016, 10:02:03 PM3 votes

Syndra You just slap her face with balls. She loves that, lil' ho'.

The Goldmeister5/17/2016, 3:24:34 PM3 votes

Literally just pick Brand.

Nothing is more tilting than dying because the stupid ult bounced 100 times between you and your clone.

Also when she w's to you just e, q as the comes and put your w on her return pad. Almost guaranteed if you time it right.

I pick brand into LB every time and I ban brand when I play LB

:D

dEAdbUs5/17/2016, 4:57:02 AM2 votes

There is no way to beat lb, unless lb player sucks.

Poiseidon5/17/2016, 6:18:40 AM2 votes

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Just to get this out of the way, yes, I DID just lose to a LeBlanc. Yes, I AM a little salty about it. Yes, I picked a champ that doesn't do very well into LeBlanc (Kassadin). And yeah, there were plenty of factors that led to that loss (their team was objectively better than ours)

But, for real, what's the game plan when you see that LeBlanc pick? Let's assume you're not counter picking here, because I already know how to play Fizz and I don't need to be told to just pick him. I mean, if you are playing a champion that doesn't just straight counter her, what's the plan? Try to CC her during her dash? Actually a fine plan; one I could not utilize, but it is a fine plan. Other than that though (and the obvious "kill her first, dummy") I really can't think of (or find) any other answers. I just CAN'T play this match-up unless I'm playing a Fizz. Its the most frustrating match-up ever. I can't farm, I can't roam (except to counter her's), and even on the occasions I get ahead I rarely see this "falling off" point everyone keeps talking about; she pretty much stays a terrifying assassin 100% of the time in every game I see her.

I mean, I have a list of grievances with her entire kit I won't bore anyone with (unless they ask) but I seriously just want to know what the fuck I'm supposed to do here when I'm NOT playing a champion that just murders her.

Just a foreword before I get into dissecting LeBlanc: I do consider myself rather skilled as a LeBlanc main, despite my low ranking. I would rather not be judged by where I stand in ranked, or what my match history may look like, but rather what I am presenting on how to play versus a LeBlanc. I have played and mained her since Season 2, and I have ~500 or more games in total as her.

Champion Select

If you are in champion select and you have the opportunity to counter pick a LeBlanc, under no circumstance would I ever recommend playing Fizz. Like any counter, skill level can determine a victory rather than simply countering them with a champion. You do leave yourself open to this possibility as Fizz, or any other champion.

Your best bet is to pick Galio. I know his may be lackluster, but maxing his shield first and getting a negatron cloak early basically allows you to almost ignore LeBlanc if you pop it when she throws a Q, or attempts a combo. If you don't pick Galio, Syndra's range and control can be an excellent counter because you can E LeBlanc back when she dashes in to try and kill you, or stun her if you set up right before ulting with Syndra. There are a few other possibilities, but these are probably your best options.

Summoner spells for Galio should forfeit ignite and pick up a barrier or exhaust with flash since you are better if you build tankier instead of straight AP. Summoner spells for Syndra could forfeit ignite for a barrier, but that depends on what the enemy team looks like and how much dive potential they have to help LeBlanc.

Runes and masteries should give you AP, but also realize how you intend to play and perhaps push a bit of health or MR to help counter her burst.

If you are not picking after her, focus on playing a bit more passive, look for sustain instead of burst, and don't be afraid to focus defensively instead of offensively. I will cover why in a moment.

First 12 Minutes of the Game

This is the most crucial part of playing versus a LeBlanc, she MUST get some form of advantage from you and an early kill or two, otherwise her snowball begins too late and she can fall off easier. Next you need to understand your teams composition, if you have a lot of CC, then she will be hard pressed mid-late game when enter to try and kill somebody because your team will be able to pick her off or lock her down. When laning versus her, level 2 (If she is smart) is when she is her strongest until level 6. If she lands a QW combot on you, you are likely down 1/3 to 1/2 your HP. This can be repeated with an ignite and auto attack in 10 seconds when her W is off CD. You NEED to be careful, because a skilled LeBlanc will flash, QW, ignite, and throw one or two auto attacks. If you are able, set up a trap under your turret to stun her if shes cocky and dives. The key her is using your turret to help, and locking farm under it when possible. Try to avoid relying on your jungler, likely they are busy and won't come until it is generally too late, so instead focus on playing a defensive game, getting CS and trading with her ONLY when you are able to do so safely. She may starve you of CS, but if you feed her kills while your at it, you will skrew yourself later. In fact I did this to a Zed who I will now use as an example.

I actually was AFK until 2:30, but I came to lane and got my level 2, he tried to exert dominance, but a QW took him to half, while he traded for 1/3 my HP. I popped a potion, and waited 10 seconds while CSing. He did so as well while backing off. I pushed to his turret where he was back to 2/3 his HP and started farming. I caught him under his turret and got a QW and ignite to take him to 1 HP w/ his potion active. This didn't kill him, but I CSed and got an extra level and a half on him. I then pushed the turret and let him farm out while acting defensive giving him what appeared to be control. He pushed out and got aggressive again. I pulled off a QW and locked him with an E. A few auto attacks and a Q got me first blood. From then I starved him of CS, playing aggressively until he tried to get a few CS near his tower. I immediately QW him to punish before walking away as he left screen to heal with a pot. He comes back and again tries to get CS while i walked to ward river bush. I flash QW and kill him.

My point here is, you will likely be starved of CS while playing a weaker champion against LeBlanc. The key is to avoid giving her kills and ensure your team is aware if she roams. If she does roam to try and get a kill, realize she is out of lane and losing CS/Exp. Capitalize on this, but ensure vision to avoid a gank that may kill you by her or the jungler. If she can't get a kill, then she will have missed out on CS and Exp for nothing, giving you a slight edge. DO NOT TRY TO CAPITALIZE just because you have a slight advantage. Unless you are 100% certain you can take her after testing the waters perhaps with a bait on a QW to see the damage it deals, do not engage her alone. She will get the edge, and start the snowball. Instead keep starving her of kills and force her to roam for hopefully nothing if you can signal. Always signal if she leaves, you never know what she may be doing. Always be ready to bail if the jungler gets caught in his zone too, I frequently leave lane to kill a jungler at his red when he passes through the lane. Keep slowly gaining strength while avoiding giving her kills, and towards the mid game, she will begin to feel the pain.

All in all, you need to play smart, know her moves before she makes them, and play a slow game instead of her fast paced game. I hope this helps a bit, and I apologize if this seems to ramble, I am a bit tired so I am not at my peak.

P.S. If for some reason you want to discuss this at a deeper level, feel free to shoot me a friend request in game under the name Poiseidon. (NA) I don't mind helping you out to understand what you can do best if you are put back in a situation like you described.

charcharmunro5/17/2016, 11:57:01 AM2 votes

LeBlanc doesn't really fall off in the traditional sense like other early-game champions, she falls off in the sense that LeBlanc's only contribution is blowing up a single target, maybe. She doesn't have any sort of reset or fallback mechanic for fighting multiple enemies, so she's deadweight for a lot of any given teamfight.

Dunkrius2g5/17/2016, 8:45:12 PM2 votes

I played leblanc a couple of times and i still don't know what i am doing. I thought that by playing her, i can do better against her. Man was i wrong.

DarthSpectrum5/16/2016, 10:13:04 PM2 votes

It partially depends on who you are playing. If you are on a champion with some form of mobility, you can try to dodge her W. If you have some CC, you can try to CC her during her W.

For example, when I play Azir against LB, I generally try to have a solider out all the time so I can spam E the moment she dashes. Otherwise, if I have some form of skill shot CC, I throw it towards her when she tries to dash onto me. It doesn't work 100% of the time, but it does make a difference.

While her abilities are on CD, I would shove the wave so she needs to W to push it back. However, I only hard shove when I plan to recall after. Her E hit box is huge and Leblanc can easily set up a gank if she gets pushed too far in. Be sure to ward the river and don't play too aggressive if you can't locate the enemy jungler.

Leblanc hits her powerspikes at levels 2, 3, and 6. At level 2, she harass many champions out of lane with Q W. Without MR runes, a Q W combo will chunk for ~30 to 40% of your health at that stage of the game. Just be careful not to take too much damage and give up some farm, otherwise she will kill you at level 2 or 3. After level 3, most champions can generally trade back every time LeBlanc dashes in. Try not to back off whenever she throws out her abilities. Use that window of opportunity to land some damage on her as well.

Before level 6, make sure you can get some MR. Otherwise she is just going to kill you with Q R W.

Overall, she is just a pain to deal with due to her high base damage, mobility, and decent ratios. I find that landing some skill shots on her at level 1 helps. She is surprisingly strong at level 2, and I generally just wait it out until I hit level 3.

Building an early item 3001 can also help. If you are still having trouble, just farm with your abilities and back whenever you are OOM. It is better to lose farm than to die.