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@Riot, before you nerf Udyr because of his win rate

KetiaX·2/19/2016, 5:39:26 AM·2 votes·1,140 views

Try to do some research and decide if Udyr's too strong, or Zz'rot is too strong. Udyr's win rate fell down quite hard after Zz'rot is disabled (55% to 51%, just 1 day of data though, may need more data). Aside from Zz'rot, a lot of people played Jhin, who is quite an easy target for Udyr because of Jhin's lack of mobility.

Just a request, please research Udyr's current power before you actually make changes to him. Thanks.

I've decided to copy some arguments from comments here just so people can read easier.

Based on champion.gg, Udyr has lower kill, lower assist, and lower damage dealt, while having a ridiculous amount of death. That should explain that he does barely anything in the game other than split push. I don't see how that completely justifies nerf on Udyr.

Another thing I find amusing is Nasus. With Most Frequent Core Build (Frozen Heart, Spirit Visage, Trinity Force, Dead Man's Plate, and Banshee's Veil) he achieves only 49% win rate. Once Banshee is replaced by Zz'rot, his win rate spikes up to 55%. Another champion is Sion. Without Zz'rot, his most frequent core build only achieves 50% win rate. Stick a Zz'rot in there, it goes up to 54%. Unfortunately, Sion's case is from a very small pool of 29 games. Nasus' size pool is around 500 though.

Does it warrant a nerf on Zz'rot? Probably not right away, but definitely something to look into. Should Udyr not be nerfed? I didn't ask for that. I asked to reconsider. If they think Udyr should be nerfed, then sure. But if the nerf is solely based on win rate, then there are some datas that proves it's (probably) not Udyr's power that is the cause of his massive win rate, it's (probably) Zz'rot.

Udyr is the third worst jungler in terms of damage dealt.

24 Comments

LadyRenly2/19/2016, 9:12:44 PM2 votes

Zz'rot is only strong on Udyr because of the current nature of the champion. He's not a sated duelist anymore, he is an annoyance who runs off like a little girl at the first sign of trouble. He puts a portal somewhere, then runs around with swiftness+runic+dmp and iceborn gauntlet and slaps everything, then when you come to chase him, he slaps you then runs off for 30 seconds before coming right back. But you can't ignore him. So he throws out portals to either enforce his split push, or distract you. That's why it's so good with him.

Literally anyone can use zzrot but he currently abuses it the best

weeaboomer2/19/2016, 7:43:22 AM2 votes

Fuck udyr. Z rot or not.

Itadaki Seieki2/19/2016, 10:11:09 PM2 votes

It isn't even Zz'rot, lol.

It's how well he synergizes with Raptor's Cloak, Swiftness + Alarcrity + Runic Echo's.

Zz'rot was an additional " tower killer. " The MAIN focus was Raptor's Cloak giving him move speed.

Add Frostborne and it's the best kiter/chaser in the whole game.

ModWulf Helhammer2/19/2016, 6:05:33 AM2 votes

Zz'rot is too strong.

Now there is a sentence I never thought I would read

Alsek2/19/2016, 8:53:27 PM1 votes

Thing is, champions don't exist in a vacuum from the rest of the game. Zz'rot does exist and is probably fairly strong. But udyr is utilizing it far better than most so simply tuning the nail that's sticking out makes the most sense to me.

Dediguise2/19/2016, 6:21:45 AM1 votes

Sorry, but ZZ'Rot is not too strong. If it was any weaker it would be completely unviable. You are basically asking for riot to remove it from the game rather than to make udyr balanced. Udry nerfs are not the same as gutting him.

BadmoonBC2/19/2016, 10:08:09 PM1 votes

Zzrot is actually strong, it's just not many took the chance on it. Trick looks like a genius now. Even pro players on twitch have said "surprised not in pro play" then boom very next weekend the nautilus builds a rot