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Since the "Solo Queue is dead" fiasco has started...

Dainesl·6/1/2016, 4:43:21 PM·10 votes·1,010 views

I decided to post on the boards because, well, there seems to be an extremely dual-hiveminded opinion. Granted, I haven't played the game since a bit before 6.9 so I might be a little bit rusty with my idea of "what is new" but let's begin. I may end up not being noticed but it's worth a shot.

So Solo Queue is officially dead, and there seem to be two groups of people; those who are in extreme dis-favor of Dynamic Queue and those who are saying "pfft those people who are complaining are just lying to get upvotes". Both groups of people have valid points, however, Dynamic Queue did have its fair share of issues which people have covered extensively, pros have been saying "the queue is shit" for ages now. Thing is though, it does seem like Dynamic Queue was not meant to be this way; Riot are indeed trying to fix it and I don't think that they're 100% in the wrong here. They may have made a ridiculously stupid decision for some, but this is very unlikely to be an intentional middle finger to everyone as lots of the vocal people including Dominick are proclaiming.

Thing is, people want healthy discussions, and this is understandably a big topic, right? However, when 95% of the boards is filled with "Dynamic Queue sucks" with the exact same points repeated and upvoted over and over, the boards become stale and thus less efficient discussion can take place. This also applies to the endless amount of memes (most of which are repeats too, and are usually crap) that are upvoted, and I don't think this is the right way to take things. Granted, Riot may be in the wrong, but to simply continue this behavior is to promote the fact that the boards are very hiveminded.

As for the other side, the same applies. However, this is more of an issue of prohibiting discussion about certain topics, rather than just choking other points of discussion to death. When I see a bunch of people on either side saying "Oh, you're wrong, I'm right, insert x reason why I'm right and you're wrong, blah blah blah rito sucks/rito is perfect/overwatch looks mighty fine", I realise that both extremes are not healthy, and I see this all the time on the League of Legends subreddit and boards (not sure about non-NA boards as I usually look at NA and from what I remember, other region boards are pretty much not worth looking at). Riot is indeed a corporation, I doubt they would want to intentionally kill off their own game. They make mistakes, they do unpopular things (like keeping the tank meta around, and people always generalise every single tank into this sort of "they're a problem please gut them" box). The community is understandably shaken by the fact that Solo Queue is dead, but at the end of the day, you still have your own choice. I, for one, remain neutral regarding this change.

Anyways, that's just me giving my thoughts on potentially the biggest issue of 2016. Just remember, hiveminded opinions are often not healthy for discussion. This is the point that I hope I emphasised properly, and uh, yeah. See you guys around, I guess, if I feel like posting more.

Edit: TL;DR, (cause I failed to put one in...nice job me) Having an extreme mindset and following that to a fault is not promoting healthy discussion, it is quite the opposite. Make sure to take into consideration all viewpoints, or at least a decent number of them.

13 Comments

Droogzy6/1/2016, 5:05:35 PM3 votes

Neither DQ supporters or SQ are necessarily right or wrong, but the crux of the problem here is the horrid communication by Riot on the issue.

People are very hive-like in the way they think, when a popular opinion or statement gets rolling, there is no stopping it. Its important to nip in the bud, Otherwise the problem just snowballs and becomes more and more difficult to fix (See Zed, See Kalista when she was released, See the new Mastery Rankings.).

All of this could have been avoided if they have simply been more transparent. I uninstall league this morning after a few final games, not because I'm raging at the issue of no solo Q, but more of I'm simply blown away and angered by how awful Riot handled this. And to me, this is a sign of what is to come, this isn't something that happened overnight.

And this is coming from someone who witnessed first handed the shit show that led to the downfall of WoW and the shit show that led to the downfall of RuneScape. I don't think either of the two fuck ups JaGex and Blizzard did to kill their game even remotely compares here, they pretty much point blank said in their video, sucks to be you solo players, deal with it.

And to me, its just frankly...mind-blowing. They had two well respected members of the LoL community in that video to discuss it and they both made it clear that they thought this new system was/is awful, yet despite that, they continue to defend the DQ.

Scarra point-blank said at the end of it that he strongly dislikes DQ and that there needs to be some MASSIVE changes within the next month to fix it. To which, he got a typical response: Riot just shaking their head saying yup yup yup, but chances of anything actually happening is extremely slim. Newsflash, they've been trying to make this new DQ work for how long now? Two? Three months? And its still horrible, its time to pull plugs and recognize that it simply doesn't work.

And along the same line, this whole fiasco just seems eerily similar to the decline of those two popular games, the "we know better than you because we have the numbers, so you can suck it" attitude and the blatant middle finger to the older veterans/dedicated players of the game. I refuse to stay and watch it happen first-hand for the third time.

The fact of matter is, even if you know better, even if you have the statistics to back up your changes, none of that matters if you refuse to communicate it actively to your player base or if you piss your player-base off big time and its truly saddening to watch yet another massive gaming company fall into the same trap I've seen others fallen into.

Valexfor6/1/2016, 4:51:02 PM2 votes

someine with a bit of brain talks and people dowvote him, an idiot talks, everyone is happy. That's how the board works. Anyway you are right, I'm trying to make people understand that neither dq nor sq are perfect and that, while right now it's badly built, dq is theoretically a great improvement to the game sicne it lets you do do everything you did in sq, ut also gives you the chance to play with friends. But nope, I defend dq so I'm wrong and since they defend sq (which, before dq was hated as much f not more than dq is hated now) are right, or so it seems. Great post anyway, upvoted.

Maximum Morde6/1/2016, 4:48:41 PM1 votes

TLDR, I'm gonna go get some Tacos.

Spoofghoul6/1/2016, 6:05:58 PM1 votes

agreed i mean i see literally the same thread 15 timnes in a row saying dynamic queue sucks with 10282109380193 upvotes ofc

but its so damn pointless

1 a day is enough kappa

and then maybe 1 with actual discussion with some argumenbts and stuff would be nice too, its not liek riot can do much with dynamic queue sucks

also you forgot 2 groups of people

the groups who is extremely vocal and fanatical about a 100% soloqueue no duo's involved which are mostly troll becasue they will downvote anything tthats not radical enough and if it even hints at something other then 100% soloqueue then they will trollstorm your reply or thread. Just saying 2 separate queue's will tick them off and you can prepare for downvotes really really annoying useless %%%%s is what they are.

And the group of soloqueue players who want changes to dynamic queue so it wont be disadvantageous to solo players and give them recognition for their solo acheivement via a special badge or something.

Cyndercat6/1/2016, 10:16:15 PM1 votes

The key issue is, healthy discussion will get you nowhere with regards to DQ. No amount of discussion can solve the key issue which is that ranking premades and solos on the same ladder has no competitive integrity, and therefore ranks are meaningless. There is no solution to this which can be found by talking it thought or offering suggestions.

In addition to this I feel that most people know riot will not listen to any healthy discussion, regardless of how well thought out suggestions are, so they wont bother spending time writing a constructive post since noone of importance will read it. I have suggestions and opinions of my own id like to state but just cant be bothered as I know it will just get ignored in the long run.

There are many many suggestions on the front page even right now but they get 0 attention from any rioters. Every single post relating to DQ, healthy or not has been ignored since it came out, with the exception of the 1 single post made by a rioter themselves.