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Jungle in season 9.

JuiceBoxP·8/26/2019, 2:55:32 PM·37 votes·13,556 views

It is actually more worth while to play a jungler that ganks level 2 after redbuff and then ganks again, and again and again and again and again than play a jungler who needs to power farm to 6 to not be a complete liability on the entire team. Why? ##Because jungle exp is just fucking absurdly low. junglers are BY FAR much better off leeching exp from the lanes instead of powerfarming the jungle because lanes bring a fuckton more exp than the jungle. So, just take exp from the lane and woop.... you're 2 levels over the jungler that has had trouble being relevant before 6.

What riot did was try to nerf early ganks with all the nerfs, but what they don't understand is that they did the exact opposite. it is more CRUCIAL THAN EVER to get that level 2 cheese gank and follow up on it with the 2 scuttlers because otherwise you fall off so fast you might as well afk at the fountain because you are going to be 2 levels below everyone the entire rest of the game.

And then you ask yourself why no one wants to play jungle any more.

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Tr4shB4NSYST3M8/26/2019, 9:47:50 PM4 votes

There are basically 2 starts to JG now that are viable. The one youre talking about is more risky but can certainly catch laners off guard and is huge if you get a kill, the other is ignore your blue side and full clear red side to start for level 3 then look for a gank into scuttles.

I just think its actually insane that full redside clear gets you lvl 3 plus a little xp but full side blue clear only gets you to a bit over 2 and a half, actually ridiculous how lopsided the sides of the Jg are in terms of the xp.

Pendergast8918/26/2019, 3:28:28 PM2 votes

'We at riot have noticed that there has been a huge surge in level 2 ganking pre 2:30 and we feel that this is overall unhealthy for the game. Therefore we decided that any one camp will no longer give a level and 2 would be necessary to reach level 2, and to promote more jungler interaction, the scuttle crab will now give an instant level up to whoever takes it. We feel that this will make the game more entertaining and promote more cooperation in solo que'

Rewt8/26/2019, 9:06:34 PM2 votes

I would like to see the jungle XP bumped a little bit, but I think just bumping up the XP would be bad. While sure it was fun being able to roll out of the jungle 2 levels ahead of everyone, I agree with riot it wasn't healthy for the game.

Prior to the changes in Jungle XP I would regularly out level my Mid Laner because If I cleared my jungle, Invaded and Cleared the enemy jungle I would be so far ahead I could literally 1v1 any laner in the game.

Pxerkza8/26/2019, 3:07:21 PM2 votes

well it's more worth depending on what your champion is

if you are playing noc good luck forcing ganks lvl 2 if you are playing j4 go for it

now considering noc is at 49.92% win rate and j4 is at 50.86% win rate your argument stands true

but looking at it objectively is it the reason you are doing poorly? that .9% win rate is it really the thing that is holding you back into playing properly?

hmm

Illabethe8/26/2019, 3:38:18 PM1 votes

I Morgana/Zyra Jungle. I usually don't gank until level 3 unless there is a dire need..... but..... here's the catharsis:

Those level 2 strong gankers you're talking about.... are generally the ones who struggle with Krugs/Raptors. So..... they don't have an easy pathing to get that level 2 gank in and then farm.

I can clear Krugs+ Raptors in 48 seconds after taking red buff, and not much can happen in that time, so I'd rather have the level 3 than risk the level 2 gank feeding, and drastically falling behind for the next 10 minutes.

P.S. Fill is almost exclusively Bot right now, not jungle.

Beerstein8/26/2019, 9:50:35 PM1 votes

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It is actually more worth while to play a jungler that ganks level 2 after redbuff and then ganks again, and again and again and again and again than play a jungler who needs to power farm to 6 to not be a complete liability on the entire team. Why? ##Because jungle exp is just fucking absurdly low. junglers are BY FAR much better off leeching exp from the lanes instead of powerfarming the jungle because lanes bring a fuckton more exp than the jungle. So, just take exp from the lane and woop.... you're 2 levels over the jungler that has had trouble being relevant before 6.

What riot did was try to nerf early ganks with all the nerfs, but what they don't understand is that they did the exact opposite. it is more CRUCIAL THAN EVER to get that level 2 cheese gank and follow up on it with the 2 scuttlers because otherwise you fall off so fast you might as well afk at the fountain because you are going to be 2 levels below everyone the entire rest of the game.

And then you ask yourself why no one wants to play jungle any more.

Partly yes, partly no. People that know how to play safe top can shut that down. Meanwhile the double gank is usually because the person doesn't know how to protect themselves, and a good opposing jg can take advantage by stealing half your JG, so the result is you have 25% of JG enemy has 75% at the start wich does counter-balance it some, especially if that JG follows up with a successful gank in another lane, you're also sacrificing levels. By doing so I find you can fall down 2 levels, lose half your JG, and if the enemy JG pulls something off, even fall behind there.

Overall, I think it's not as bad as you're stating, though it is very rough usually on the top laners dealing with it. I've done both powerfarm and lvl 2 ganks regularly, it's definitely a tradeoff, especially when revealing where you're at early. A good JG can take advantage of that. To me the goal is learn to get a high success rate of lvl 2 ganks on any champ regardless, even if you have to lose some til you get it right, and do powerfarming. Once you can do both well, decisions should be made game to game, and more often than not I do let the lvl 2 gank go. It's a huge risk and very punishing if you don't get the kill.

ModCaliCoastReplay8/27/2019, 7:53:45 PM1 votes

After watching Jensen at level 6 get a kill by nearly one shotting Svenskeren at level 4 during Game 5 of Summer Split Finals - matchup was Akali vs. JarvanIV - I agree with this.

If jungle and support are going to be levels down, it ought to be balanced around a single level - not two or three, otherwise in this high damage meta it just feels unfair.

ModCaliCoastReplay8/27/2019, 7:54:20 PM1 votes

...still, I think the real problem is the damage creep and the damage meta more so than the jungle balance itself.

ValiantKiller8/27/2019, 7:55:14 PM1 votes

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It is actually more worth while to play a jungler that ganks level 2 after redbuff and then ganks again, and again and again and again and again than play a jungler who needs to power farm to 6 to not be a complete liability on the entire team. Why? ##Because jungle exp is just fucking absurdly low. junglers are BY FAR much better off leeching exp from the lanes instead of powerfarming the jungle because lanes bring a fuckton more exp than the jungle. So, just take exp from the lane and woop.... you're 2 levels over the jungler that has had trouble being relevant before 6.

What riot did was try to nerf early ganks with all the nerfs, but what they don't understand is that they did the exact opposite. it is more CRUCIAL THAN EVER to get that level 2 cheese gank and follow up on it with the 2 scuttlers because otherwise you fall off so fast you might as well afk at the fountain because you are going to be 2 levels below everyone the entire rest of the game.

And then you ask yourself why no one wants to play jungle any more.

All they had to do was kill the dumb JarvanIV Jax LeeSin etc early level 2 cheese, but you know what we buff them instead cause we got no balance shit in our mind