How many years does it take to get a tutorial?

DrDiaga·5/30/2016, 2:43:55 AM·170 votes·4,496 views

Imagine the overall improvement of the player base if people had some sort of tutorial phase.

Fuck the "randomly play against bots till you randomly play against players". Really? No wonder so many people suck for so long. They start out playing bad and knowing nothing, and get all these bad habits ingrained in their play.

Imagine a series of tutorials aimed at explaining each role, tutorials for CS and the importance of wards, desicion making scenarios.

Cut down the "grind to 30" that really does shit to help people for ranked. They play most their pre ranked life playing with smurfs or other people with no clue.

No wonder ranked is so rotten.

Riot get off your asses please. If this is supposed to be a competitive game, as you care so much about, give new players the tools to succeed.

112 Comments

DrCyanide5/30/2016, 3:59:29 AM54 votes

Tutorial changes that need to happen:

Not spend 5 minutes teaching players how to move/auto attack in the tutorial.
Not have players build Thornmail on Ashe in the tutorial...
Have the player actually build an item in stages in the tutorial, rather than buy the entire thing out right.

In Game changes that Riot needs to make to lessen the burden of knowledge on new players:

Give Item Stats the same color coding as Ability Scaling (so if an item provides Health, have the Health provided by the item be Red to match the tooltip)
Simplify all ability tooltips by default, with emphasis on the utility the skill provides and what that skill scales with.
Include a way to show detailed tooltips, including the % scaling per stat (example: pressing Shift while hovering over a tooltip toggles to the full version. Needs text describing that hotkey in the simple tooltip so it's not hidden from new players)
A way to review death recap after you've respawned, so you can better understand what killed you.
A way to view the simple description of enemy abilities, which will help them learn what the enemy abilities actually do.

One thing that impressed me during the Overwatch free week was how easy Blizzard made it to get at information. Their tutorial literally covered how to use a mouse to look around (FPS 101), yet they managed to make it fun and engaging. Your ability tooltips were always simple, and you could frequently pull up the tooltips on enemy abilities.

A piece of advice for Riot regarding simplifying tooltips: Listen to the words you'd use to describe an ability to a brand new player and pattern it after that.

You don't tell someone just starting out that "Twisted Fate rolls his dice every time he kills an enemy, randomly gaining between 1 to 6 gold. Naturally, he has a higher chance to receive a large bonus."
You tell them "You get extra gold when you kill things."

Shepherd o Souls5/30/2016, 12:07:52 PM20 votes

Dota has advanced tutorials for new players on how to cs and about the mechanics of the game. I was always thinking leauge needed something like it.

Arakadia5/30/2016, 6:56:16 AM8 votes

Yeah, I made a post about this and got downvoted for it. There was a post on some board where a Sona who was asking for tips in their ranked game didn't know supports dont take cs or kills. They really deserve better.

MunchCrunchLunch5/30/2016, 4:23:57 AM8 votes

and an actual one not a thornmail ashe bullshit.

Boulderox5/30/2016, 3:01:18 AM6 votes

i would say that is what many youtubers are for if I looked at it in riots eyes, but I do agree the current one is out of date...

Kotex5/30/2016, 5:58:18 AM3 votes

Dont forget the notion that people try to get normal games to conform to this sense of worthlessness. If you want to learn how to play, learn team coordination and the like, and then you have a teammate(s) that are going "trolol its just normals"

But then if you suck at ranked due to poor preparation in waste away normal games youll get flamed and told to play normals, but then if you want to play seriously youre told to go play ranked because "its just normals." When i was first preparing for ranked this was incredibly frustrating for me because as i was preparing for ranked i wanted to get better and play seriously before actually going to ranked but the normal casual environment wasn't helping me grow because nobody cared.

Shadowatom5/30/2016, 3:15:32 AM3 votes

The question is that how many tutorials do we have them go through? Too many and people will lose interest in the game before they even start playing (although this will cut down on smurfs). I agree there needs to be a better system in place to teach people the game, but at the same time you can't force people to learn everything about league. The most ideal would probably be teaching the players the controls and objectives for the first tutorial, second tutorial would be a more in depth look at the various roles (but here's where we'd have to keep length in mind and things will probably need to be cut to a short version). There could then be something in the client that will go in detail what every role does (it has to be skimmable if it's text obviously, a wall of text is not a friendly face; likewise it will have to be short if it's a video, maybe 4 minutes max), but this will be an optional, yet highly advised, perhaps with mandatory viewing once they get to Normal Draft mode to ensure they understand the roles before they're allowed to pick two to use. Here's the kicker though, if they did this, should they just give over all the summoner spells at level 1? Obviously no one would be able to really jungle (runes and masteries are really needed for it imo), so smite would become a noob trap, but we're teaching them about jungling, so shouldn't they be able to practice? Either way, I agree, but going about it will be difficult and take a lot of time, so I wouldn't expect it to take a huge priority.

Treyen5/31/2016, 7:38:05 AM2 votes

new player experience?

Fuck em -Rito, probably

Iittala5/31/2016, 4:17:11 PM2 votes

riot like many groups wants the community to create the tutorials... Which we have, The issue being the forums move very quickly and a permanence to a youtube channel can be quite harmful

Examples of channels https://www.youtube.com/user/pentamagic and https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9U_UPJLasfZYZ0icNI0vBg

Paroe5/30/2016, 3:51:37 AM1 votes

uhm.... there IS a tutorial. It automatically plays if you say youre new to the game, or you can replay it at any time if you skipped it.

HeyItzSteve5/31/2016, 5:11:30 AM1 votes

This is a great idea. The tutorials are out-of-date and teach you little about the gameplay in a typical League game. But Riot.. Teemo