Counterplay for Tanks

DarkenedFlames·5/15/2016, 6:55:48 AM·1 votes·501 views

How do you build against Vayne or Fiora? They both do PERCENT MAX HEALTH TRUE DAMAGE on their auto attacks. Other than CC which works on every champion, how do you counter this. To build against true damage you build health. But building health against this give nothing because you lose the same percentage of health. So i'm wondering how to counter this. Also if you are a tank and someone goes full armor penetration, how do you build against this? You would say buy health, but if you do: health and a little armor (because armor won't help anyway) will be shredded away by them regardless. (Especially a high attack speed ADC)

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Verxint5/15/2016, 7:02:53 AM2 votes

The idea of these champions is that you can't tank them indefinitely.

You build to minimize their physical damage and you use gameplay to minimize their true damage hits. In vayne's case, you prevent or punish her for three consecutive hits, and in Fiora's case, you defend vitals or punish her for hitting them.

They're also both supposed to be strong 1v1, you shouldn't expect to tank them down solo.

TehNACHO5/15/2016, 7:04:34 AM2 votes

How do you build against Vayne or Fiora?

Through damage for the former, and through bruiser for the latter.

Other than CC which works on every champion

Not really. CC is extremely useless on engage tanks since it doesn't setup your teammates to kill them well, and due to the nature of their abilities, you're only rarely interrupting them. On the other hand, CC a DPS like Vayne and she's suuuuuuuuuuper vulnerable to now everything, and due to the nature of her kit, she has no power at all if stun locked.

To build against true damage you build health.

Honestly most forms of true damage ought to be avoided through gameplay then itemization. Shut down Yi as a DPS, kite Garen, don't sit inside Cho's striking range, don't let yourself get comboed so easily by Vel'Koz.

But building health against this give nothing because you lose the same percentage of health.

Nothing is a pretty grand overstatement.

Both Vayne and Fiora deal over 70% of their damage as physical damage. To completely and totally ignore this is kinda dumb, and really undersell that champs like Fiora's hardest counters still regularly commit at least some defense against her.

Also if you are a tank and someone goes full armor penetration, how do you build against this?

Damage, or you just plainly don't.

If that someone is a DPS, they're designed to counter and kill you, not the other way around really.

You would say buy health, but if you do: health and a little armor (because armor won't help anyway) will be shredded away by them regardless. (Especially a high attack speed ADC)

Or, you could be a Bruiser and try to threaten them away. Scare an ADC enough and their focus fire becomes inconsistent.

AlwaysByMySide5/15/2016, 7:29:21 AM2 votes

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How do you build against Vayne or Fiora? They both do PERCENT MAX HEALTH TRUE DAMAGE on their auto attacks. Other than CC which works on every champion, how do you counter this. To build against true damage you build health. But building health against this give nothing because you lose the same percentage of health. So i'm wondering how to counter this. Also if you are a tank and someone goes full armor penetration, how do you build against this? You would say buy health, but if you do: health and a little armor (because armor won't help anyway) will be shredded away by them regardless. (Especially a high attack speed ADC)

Gee, it's almost like they were designed to be able to kill tanks.

Also, in what world is buying items to shut down the enemy counterplay?

ABlueQuaker5/15/2016, 6:57:23 AM1 votes

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Ralanr5/15/2016, 6:57:27 AM1 votes

You have to rely on your team to kill them when you lock them down.

I know it sucks, but that's the truth.

DarkenedFlames5/15/2016, 3:54:05 PM1 votes

Thanks Everyone for responding!