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Is Kha'zix ever getting buffed?

DangerousDoc·4/2/2015, 1:43:16 AM·28 votes·5,489 views

Is Kha'zix ever getting buffed? (Riot Please, atleast tell me you have plans for him)

The last time Riot touched Kha'zix was on November 20th, 2014. And that was a nerf to his Void Spikes. It increased the cooldown to 10 seconds from 8 seconds. I feel like Riot has completely forgot that Kha'zix even exists, and doesn't even mind that he is weak right now.

He has horrible clear, and nearly dies his first clear of the jungle. And he can't even assassinate his targets. I understand that you are trying to "nerf" the jungle, with the tank champion buffs and the cinderhulk enchant, but I feel like you are buffing every other champion BUT Kha'zix.

I'm not asking for anything huge, just a something that will make his FIRST clear less awful. (Maybe decrease the cooldown of W, and increase its heal?). I also want to see him be able to assassinate someone. (Maybe let isolation have a shorter range, so its easier to assassinate his targets)

I'm not asking for much, you don't even have to do anything at all. But I feel like Kha'zix is in a bad spot right now, and Riot keeps ignoring him. I would just like to see some buffs to him, because you have buffed almost every other jungler besides him. It also doesn't help that he is has a horrible early game.

I am just wishing to see this little guy in the jungle again...

Thank you, and see y'all laterz.

52 Comments

TehNACHO4/2/2015, 1:50:37 AM10 votes

I think he needs a rework as a whole. There's no way his current Fighter-esque Assassin kit can work properly with his Isolation mechanic without being completely over the top (as we've seen whenever Kha'Zix is powerful (Tanky Kha'Zix op)). There's just way too many variables that Kha'Zix is not in control of to utilize his Isolation correctly.

Visigoth4/2/2015, 3:38:35 PM2 votes

Every time Kha'Zix got played in the pro scene he was nerfed. Spring Split Season 4 Kha'Zix was always picked, they completely gutted him. After a 10 damage buff and some time to adjust he gets played towards the end of summer and during worlds. He still wasn't a strong pick, but was rewarding for skill and good mechanics and decision making, similar to how Vayne is. Then they nerfed him again. Then buffed jungle so now he can't clear, and he got no compensation.

kcStranger4/2/2015, 3:08:57 AM2 votes

I think part of the problem is that the setup of the enchantments to Hunter's Machete isn't friendly to AD casters. Compare Warrior to Magus:

Warrior: 40 AD, 10 armor pen, 10% CDR (1877 gold value) Magus: 80 AP, 20% CDR (2373 gold value)

On the surface, Magus is a clearly superior item to Warrior. I think the problem is that AD bruisers like Jarvan/Rek'Sai/Vi are naturally well-suited to the jungle (though all have been nerfed recently), so part of the balancing act is that they get a worse enchant. The problem is that AD casters like Kha'Zix have a play pattern more similar to AP junglers than to bruisers, and they sorta need the better item.

That said, this doesn't address your particular point about his first clear. At absolute minimum, they should revert the nerf to Void Spikes. Maybe give his base stats some love, too. I was thinking of picking him up, actually (I think he's cool, and he was one of the first champs I experimented with when I was learning the game), but he's just too weak to justify it.

iMaB3AST4/2/2015, 11:40:07 PM2 votes

I recently played him in jg and his clears and sustain are horrible. Not to mention u barely do damage when a targets isolated. The only time Kha shines is in the late game where u have ur q w and e evolved. Increasing the heal and lowering his mana costs could be a possible buff.

177A Bleecker St4/2/2015, 1:58:21 AM2 votes

I think he is op. He is my main and my favorite champion. Sure he was nerfed but it's so fun to go into a fight, ult e and q their adc and 2 shot him and then e to the next target and 1 shot him. If he gets any buff i will climb with him to high heavens

bizzle894/2/2015, 1:45:57 PM2 votes

I think one of his weak points (not the most important) is the ultimate. Rengars stealth lasts 7-12 seconds. Enough time to get to an enemy without being seen und with a surprise effect. The 1 Second of Kha'zix is just nothing. It's really weak for an ultimate...

Poptart Evelynn4/2/2015, 6:56:52 PM1 votes

As someone who mains Kha this season I don't agree with the points you pointed out.

His clear is perfectly fine. I can teach you how to clear properly if you ever want to know how to clear the entire jungle with no issues.
He can 100% assassinate targets easily and even destroys tanks in 3 seconds if they are isolated. The issue is the requirement for it to happen.
Kha is one of the strongest champions early game for jungle picks.

I'm not trying to be a dick when I say this but all the points you pointed out are just you not being that great at Kha'zix.

Kha's main issue is team fighting. The moment when the teams start to group and do big fights Kha is extremely weak in tightly grouped team fights. He can't get isolation off. He can't tank for shit. He definitely can't weave in fights until level 16 with evolved ultimate and by that time everyone has oracle lens.

His kit relies too heavily on Isolation. <------ real issue.'

Add me in game if you are interested in how to play Kha properly to avoid all of those issues you pointed out. I'll even play a Kha game with you to show you.

Build = item 3723 item 3117 item 3074 item 3035 item 2140 Core items, rest is situational. I prefer cheese route = item 3071 item 3508 Runes = Flat Ad Marks, Flat Armor Seals, 5 Flat CDR Glyphs, 4 Scaling Magic Resist Glyphs, and Flat Ad Quints. Masteries = 21-9-0 requires 4 points in Sorcery and points into Bladed Armor/Block.

Orangesilk4/2/2015, 8:13:13 PM1 votes

I just wanted to say that 20-11-2014 is NOT a long time ago.

The last time Yorick was changed (excluding global changes, as in changes for ALL champions) was in 11-12-2012. And it was a bugfix.

Before that was the 18-9-2012 and it was a NERF.

Drukyul4/2/2015, 9:40:01 PM1 votes

lol 4 months isn't even considered a short amount of time on Riot's timetable; more like infinitesimal

SoisauceCCH4/3/2015, 7:36:40 AM1 votes

Riot has proven time and time again they have no idea how to balance their game, with Assassins being the most prominent display of ineptitude. They literally cannot pull their heads from their asses long enough to realize that Assassins who are designed on bursting people down from 100%-0% with no room or time for counterplay is inherently lazy design. In fact, they have the gall to say those types of assassins are "healthy", as is the case with Leblanc and Zed, two prime contenders for "look how keyboard smashingly frustrating these two champions are to play against!".

On the other end of the spectrum, there are the "assassins" so weak that they literally cannot compete because they lack the aforementioned 100%-0% capabilities; IE KZ / Evelynn. These champions, Riot just refuses to acknowledge, as they slowly but steadily neuter half of the champion pool, while making sure their champions with the big "flashy" plays are consistently top contenders.

Don't get your hopes up. Riot has become Comcast; if it doesn't make them any money, they'll just do what they want, because they have a monopoly on the MoBA genre.

Merxamers4/20/2015, 2:35:31 PM1 votes

i love playing khazix, and i've had some incredible games with him (especially last season), but he does need some love and care.

If i pick Khazix in a ranked game (i'm in silver 2 right now), what will happen is the other team will take Volibear or sejuani. Since Khaz has to go back after the first clear, i know that the enemy jungler will

Have a much stronger gank presence than me
Win every 1 on 1 against me before i'm level 11
Have a good chance for a double kill if they countergank

One problem i've had with Khazix for a while is that he's incredibly dependent on his evolutions to do anything; before his Q is evolved, there is no chance he will assassinate anyone. Before his E is evolved, he has laughable mobility. His R evolution is underappreciated i think, but is lackluster.

It's frustrating when, even having built all damage, i can't assassinate an isolated target before level 11. I still like playing as him, and i know he can be played well (like every champion), but he is in a relatively weak place.

Seriod9/20/2015, 10:46:31 PM1 votes

I don't know if he's getting buffed or not. Right now in 9/20/2015, he does NOT DO HORRIBLE, but I do agree that he needs a buff. I used to play him excellent, before he got nerfed a lot.

Trump4Reelection4/2/2015, 9:08:11 AM1 votes

Allow me to explain riot logic to you.

Every season ever - we want to put more gold experience and strength into the jungle position To encourage the play of carry type junglers.

Patch x.1 comes out carry junglers break loose shit storm over the entire game and do exactly what was intended they carry from the jungle.

Patch x.2-x.10 nerfs to said carry jungle, and cost efficient carry jungle items.

Patch x.11-on minor buffs to different types of carry junglers and items, few item balances and reworks and some unsung god arises in the jungle.

Last few patches of the season spent trying to under zealously nerf said unsung carries and then ultimately nailing the coffin shut on them. kha'zix was the s4 recipient of this style. WW being ine of the big s5 recipients along with the devourer enchant, similar to release lizard elder in season 3 which got nerfed primarily because like the old s2 wriggles and early s3 they were so powerful and cost efficient they got abused onin lane.

I still miss 25 AD 30 armor 18% lifesteal wriggles. RIP :(

FastAsHeck4/2/2015, 12:32:59 PM1 votes

i agree 100%. i think that he needs a full rework, maybe even new skills (why does he have a ranged aoe spell?), i think the way to go is focusing his kit around evolutions. so he can be a unique champion that can literally adapt to any game. that could be his main strength and what sets him apart from other champions. of course, he should be weak where he doesnt specialise. what i have in mind is for example evolving q would be completely focused on 100-0ing enemy champions when they are isolated, while evolving r for example would specialise him in being a decent tank and teamfighter.

AFK Push4/2/2015, 1:40:42 PM1 votes

I think they are scared of him being a dominant pick again in the jungler or mid lane.

FreshMeat7074/2/2015, 5:07:20 PM1 votes

WTF do you mean he dies his first jungle clear? I have played Kha COUNTLESS times, he is my fav jungler ever. It's not about "Oh hey look at this something happened with one ability and now he can't do shit." And the fact that he can't assassinate? Dude, that's ALWAYS how i get my Kha kills. I feel while i was reading this that you're calling him unplayable. His Isolation bonus isn't a problem, and it's not his handicap. If you build correctly then he can easily track down kills, sometimes even 2 lane members at once. I took down a Tanky Sejuani in the jungle without any support or falling below half health. A TANKY. SEJUANI. That is not easy, trust me. His kit is good for me, Isolation just gives me an added edge to chase down low-health enemies trying to run away down their lane. Khazix isn't broken. He's just a little tricky to master.

(Sorry if that whole song-and-dance sounded like i'm being toxic, i'm not that kind of person. It's just that seeing one of my fav champs getting called the equivalent of worthless just ticks me off when you could easily go 20/0/10 with him.)

Original Quitter4/2/2015, 6:22:01 PM1 votes

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