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Diana is so broken...

DrowningInAss··42 votes·15,272 views

Before diana could be abused for a bad early game seeing as one of her abilities didn't even do any damage. Now with her having her dash she has enough sustain with her shield to easily make it out of laning phase. Diana has so much damaging abilities in her kit that in just one full combo including an empowered auto she can take half your health pre level 6, then after level 6 she's able to finish the rest of the combo with her R, bringing your health down so quick in the blink of an eye. Every diana i've seen gets fed. All. Of. Them. Even if I sweat my ass off in lane. Usually I play champs in order to find their weaknesses, but when I played diana I saw no weaknesses, the only weakness is if she makes a mistake.

That right there is horrible game design. A character shouldn't be unstoppable unless they make the mistake, especially a champ as easy to play as diana. It's not like Kass where you can at least abuse his bad early and if you're an assassin it's wraps for Kass, it's counterplay. Like against a nasus if you abuse them enough before they get the spike you win. However diana is different. She is an anti assassin who also has an incredibly good gap closer while doing a bunch of damage which also counters mages, while she herself is a mage (and mage items are so crazy rn.) And not only is she not just restricted to one shotting one person like she used to, but except with multiple people with her ult scaling with the amount of people she catches in it. Combined with this and then her building rod of ages first item she becomes a one shotting machine while barely taking any damage AND having a shield.

I feel like diana needs to be more vulnerable early. Maybe reduce the damage her W does and fix the hitbox on her Q so that it isn't as atrociously disjointed like it is. With a champ like diana if she scales to be an absolute monster mid-late then at least have her early be her weakness.

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ThatGreekBoy20526 votes

I 100% agree with this. There have been so many times where I would completely shit on diana and shut her down in lane but then after 15 mins shes the most broken champ and 1 shots every champ in the game.

Thefrostyviking3 votes

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I 100% agree with this. There have been so many times where I would completely shit on diana and shut her down in lane but then after 15 mins shes the most broken champ and 1 shots every champ in the game.

Oneshots everything that did not buy MR because they felt she wasnt a threat at all?

Was a time when i had figured i did not have to buy MR against kassadin if i won lane, boy did learn how wrong i was pretty quickly after playing against a few.

Just like i learnt that no matter how ahead you are as a melee and how behind the enemy ADC is, you will end up wanting armor or you will be sorry about not doing it at some point.

Or when i was playing ADC and figured my support would somehow protect me from enemy AD assassin which would let me keep building full glass cannon.....karma was swift.

ThatGreekBoy2053 votes

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Oneshots everything that did not buy MR because they felt she wasnt a threat at all?

Was a time when i had figured i did not have to buy MR against kassadin if i won lane, boy did learn how wrong i was pretty quickly after playing against a few.

Just like i learnt that no matter how ahead you are as a melee and how behind the enemy ADC is, you will end up wanting armor or you will be sorry about not doing it at some point.

Or when i was playing ADC and figured my support would somehow protect me from enemy AD assassin which would let me keep building full glass cannon.....karma was swift.

ah yes the old build mr excuse. Ok so im playing mid and I destroy the diana early. Shes 1 and 7 at lets say 15 mins and gets her first item. she one shots me. "better build hexdrinker." I build hexdrinker. she still one shots me or at the very least gets me to 1 hp and takes me out of the team fight for the next 20-30 seconds. Thats totally balanced right?

Thefrostyviking1 votes

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ah yes the old build mr excuse. Ok so im playing mid and I destroy the diana early. Shes 1 and 7 at lets say 15 mins and gets her first item. she one shots me. "better build hexdrinker." I build hexdrinker. she still one shots me or at the very least gets me to 1 hp and takes me out of the team fight for the next 20-30 seconds. Thats totally balanced right?

Hexdrinker is kind of a joke so do not get that.

If you are an AD assassin(since you are AD and midlane?) grab item 3814 instead, go into the sorcery tree with that shield talent and then get merc threads for good measure if feeling she still does too much.

Banshee should make it impossible for her to just detonate you.

ThatGreekBoy2051 votes

yasuo isnt an ad assassin. he doesnt take edge of night

Thefrostyviking1 votes

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yasuo isnt an ad assassin. he doesnt take edge of night

I keep forgetting about him.....or rather i want to Q_Q

But jokes aside, Yasuo uses item 3091 if he wants magic resistance, it´s fully legit to rush it.

Blue Zergling1 votes

Kayle mid into diana experience: Buying a negatron cloak prevents her from killing you pre-6. If she doesn't get super ahead before you hit power spikes by roaming you can consistently kill her when she engages on you.

Unfortunately, like most assassins, once she's far ahead she can stay ahead easily unless she makes a major misplay.

Pika Fox2 votes

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ah yes the old build mr excuse. Ok so im playing mid and I destroy the diana early. Shes 1 and 7 at lets say 15 mins and gets her first item. she one shots me. "better build hexdrinker." I build hexdrinker. she still one shots me or at the very least gets me to 1 hp and takes me out of the team fight for the next 20-30 seconds. Thats totally balanced right?

You waited 15 minutes to build your first MR item, and are now complaining that the enemy finally has some gold through pure CSing? And what did you do with that gold advantage before then? Clearly you didnt win your lane hard enough given she got CS to get an item to deal damage. Did you not roam? Extend your lead elsewhere, so even if she did finally get an item and the ability to do something, shed still be down objectives and her team behind?

If youre not building or playing proactively, then thats on you.

FazerPowerZ13 votes

Diana isn't the one that's broken. Come on dude. Yasuo is the most broken champ in league. Yasuo

ProphetOfDraven9 votes

There are MANY champions that are higher up the broken ladder than yasuo. Yasuo is just annoying.

FazerPowerZ3 votes

Yasuo is annoying? His cool downs are low and he only needs two items to scale. Just static Shiv and IE. That right there amounts to some major crit damage that god only knows Yasuo can abuse both items with low cool downs on his abilities like his Q that can proc in 1-2 seconds. Must be fun getting knocked up with armor Pen on his ult too. Yep, along with insane crit damage to the point people are dying instantly. Yasuo isn't just annoying.. He needs to be banned in ranked games.

ProphetOfDraven2 votes

Yasuo loses 1v1's to actual bruisers and has no way to exit fights once he starts them, can you say the same about Akali?

FazerPowerZ1 votes

Akali is the same way with yasuo. Akali has insane amount of healing and can burst you down in any given situation. I do however miss the old akali. The good ol days when you could keep pressing R on your opponent and stick to them. Now it's just throw your shurikens and gain healing and do some bursty damage to gut your opponent to oblivion. It's really not fun. Same with yasuo except he just needs to 2 shot you to bring you down to 3/4 health and then finish you off with his ult. I don't get it. The TTK has been lowered significantly and it's unhealthy for this game. League matches should be lasting more then 25 or 15 minutes.

KnightLakega1 votes

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Akali is the same way with yasuo. Akali has insane amount of healing and can burst you down in any given situation. I do however miss the old akali. The good ol days when you could keep pressing R on your opponent and stick to them. Now it's just throw your shurikens and gain healing and do some bursty damage to gut your opponent to oblivion. It's really not fun. Same with yasuo except he just needs to 2 shot you to bring you down to 3/4 health and then finish you off with his ult. I don't get it. The TTK has been lowered significantly and it's unhealthy for this game. League matches should be lasting more then 25 or 15 minutes.

Akali has no healing...

Its shit like this that reminds me why league is full of RE Re's..

Not only is Akali able to be countered by literally every champion in the game.. All 99% of people It alk too who cry about akali doesn't even know how she works..

Literally I can crap on akali with fking Aurlion Sol... A champ she should steam roll without even noticing..

Her kit is slow as far as assassins go, and her rotation is extremely linear as well.

The invisibility also is extremely exaggerated of how OP it is..

Akali is squishy as hell... 99/100 times when I see people die by akali its because they're running away and giving her a kill over for free.. or she's so fed from people do this that she starts 1 shotting...

literally.. just fking fight her, stop running, you win gg...

C Moon1 votes

No way to exit fights but that doesn't matter cuz he will kill atleast 2 people and the rest of his team will finish off others

RyzeRework3 votes

Good thing diana smacks yasuo in lane

ThatGreekBoy2051 votes

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Diana isn't the one that's broken. Come on dude. Yasuo is the most broken champ in league. Yasuo

God you must have had some really bad encounters with Yas if you think hes the most broken champ in league. Some people are just fucking stupid it hurts my brain.

FazerPowerZ3 votes

First of all why even defend yasuo? You clearly know he is broken. He only needs two items to delete most people in the game. Guess what two items those are? IE and Static Shiv. Duhh. Ever since IE was reworked and static shiv was buffed, Yasuo can deal high amounts of crit and bring your health bar down to like 3/4 health. And why are his fucking cool downs so low huh? You say he isn't broken but he clearly needs to be looked at. He has been nerfed but buffed plenty of times. Nothing is showing balance with this champion. NOTHING IS. And Oh look you have a NightBringer Yasuo Icon. No wonder why you would defend him. You are just as ignorant as every other yasuo player who defends him. Go get a life moron.

DrowningInAss1 votes

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First of all why even defend yasuo? You clearly know he is broken. He only needs two items to delete most people in the game. Guess what two items those are? IE and Static Shiv. Duhh. Ever since IE was reworked and static shiv was buffed, Yasuo can deal high amounts of crit and bring your health bar down to like 3/4 health. And why are his fucking cool downs so low huh? You say he isn't broken but he clearly needs to be looked at. He has been nerfed but buffed plenty of times. Nothing is showing balance with this champion. NOTHING IS. And Oh look you have a NightBringer Yasuo Icon. No wonder why you would defend him. You are just as ignorant as every other yasuo player who defends him. Go get a life moron.

I think the most broken thing about yasuo is how early his powerspikes are. Just like the same problem with morde his powerspikes are way too early and its just because of his crit passive. Without it I feel like he'd suck as a champ tho and they cant nerf the cost of crit items without making adcs suffer. Perhaps a rework is needed?

Sleeping Bat4 votes

Yas is broken in the middle lane, yes, champions like Darius Tryndamere Ornn beat Yas, but Yas almost never went top lane, he always plays on middle where he abuses endless dashes, shield, w, manaless sustain and damage that few can achieve. Rito pls, reduce Yas regeneration, MR and armor to make the price of mistakes finally mean something to Yasuo in middle lane matches.

FazerPowerZ3 votes

Finally someone that agrees he is busted. I am also sick of yasuos healing with BloodThirster. IE and Static Shiv really help with his healing ON TOP of Rav hydra and taste of blood. Yas can heal 110+ from each minion hit which is insanely sad. Thank you for proving a point that he needs to be looked at. Fucking Greekboy numbnuts uptop there said he isn't even broken. LOL so dumb honestly. Yas can pretty much quick dash with his E with 1 second cool down and knock up a whole team with armor pen from this R and then quick dash away with his low cooldown on his E if minions are present. Sure you can CC Yas but he will just dash back to you and hit you from afar which could proc static shiv to hurt you too.

Thefrostyviking12 votes

As i write this OP.GG claims you are in a game with a Diana while playing master Yi yourself, and given that you are posting like this i assume she is beating you live to the point where you are rageposting rather than playing.

For Diana to beat Yi she has to be either fed or you are screwing up badly somehow, it´s so simple really, anytime she dashes towards you just use W to block her E-W damage, then sit on Q to dodge her R.

Easy clap.

The counterplay to Diana is really simple, dodge her Q, deny her R or alternatively block her E-W if possible, everything if you can and then just watch her sit there like a fool or better yet, pop some potent enough defensive steroid to just shutdown all her damage.

Many assassins can do this easily, many fighters can do this easily.....hells even some mages can do it, i know she gets hard clapped by Neeko, Veigar and she struggles against Ahri for some common ones.

Gets clapped by a good Annie too since that one can just pop E if Diana ever tries to burst her then let Tibbers slap her to death.....very much a undignified way to go but it´s what happens.

The X ecutioner 8 votes

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As i write this OP.GG claims you are in a game with a Diana while playing master Yi yourself, and given that you are posting like this i assume she is beating you live to the point where you are rageposting rather than playing.

For Diana to beat Yi she has to be either fed or you are screwing up badly somehow, it´s so simple really, anytime she dashes towards you just use W to block her E-W damage, then sit on Q to dodge her R.

Easy clap.

The counterplay to Diana is really simple, dodge her Q, deny her R or alternatively block her E-W if possible, everything if you can and then just watch her sit there like a fool or better yet, pop some potent enough defensive steroid to just shutdown all her damage.

Many assassins can do this easily, many fighters can do this easily.....hells even some mages can do it, i know she gets hard clapped by Neeko, Veigar and she struggles against Ahri for some common ones.

Gets clapped by a good Annie too since that one can just pop E if Diana ever tries to burst her then let Tibbers slap her to death.....very much a undignified way to go but it´s what happens.

Deny her R? My god people like you are what makes 99% of the community want to rip their hair out, how the fuck do you deny her R? by using your 300 second flash cooldown into her abysmal like 90 second ult CD? It slows so god damn much no amount of mobility could get you out of it. She just does TOO much damage with TOO much Sustain and TOO much stick potential.

Moon Mom5 votes

You can deny her R. I'm a Diana OPT, and while her numbers are overtuned, I beleive we're overlooking a simple fact here that her ult does have counterplay.

First, I'll allow flash as your example.. but you also have:

Trist R.

Vayne E.

Zhonyas hourglass.

Xin R.

Janna R

Lulu W

Alistar W

Thresh E

Azir R

Jayce W

VI R (knocks aside)

Taliyah W

Asol R

Ziggs W

Hecarim E

Syndra E

These are just a few of the abilities that are available. Bonus points if your champ has an unconditional dash to get out.

KronosXVIIII2 votes

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You can deny her R. I'm a Diana OPT, and while her numbers are overtuned, I beleive we're overlooking a simple fact here that her ult does have counterplay.

First, I'll allow flash as your example.. but you also have:

Trist R.

Vayne E.

Zhonyas hourglass.

Xin R.

Janna R

Lulu W

Alistar W

Thresh E

Azir R

Jayce W

VI R (knocks aside)

Taliyah W

Asol R

Ziggs W

Hecarim E

Syndra E

These are just a few of the abilities that are available. Bonus points if your champ has an unconditional dash to get out.

yes because in season 10 the champions i see the most in soloq are asol, taliyah, azir,and xin

Moon Mom1 votes

I listed a handful of champs :shrug: I didn't say only they had the abilities to stop her ult, and I did list several popular ones. IDK what you want.

Sewer Side7 votes

A shield isn’t considered sustain.

in a hood near u1 votes

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A shield isn’t considered sustain.

Sustain 1 strengthen or support physically or mentally.

2 undergo or suffer (something unpleasant, especially an injury).

A shield is a form of sustain.

Sewer Side2 votes

A shield isn’t considered sustain in League terms.

We don’t say Riven has sustain, we don’t say Camille has sustain. Shields can be usually played around by not dumping your burst into them and instead waiting them out.

But if it appeases your aut*sm, sure, whatever. Be pedantic.

in a hood near u3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sewer Side,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E4ngLBeZ,comment-id=00040000000100000000,timestamp=2020-01-13T08:14:49.136+0000)

A shield isn’t considered sustain in League terms.

We don’t say Riven has sustain, we don’t say Camille has sustain. Shields can be usually played around by not dumping your burst into them and instead waiting them out.

But if it appeases your aut*sm, sure, whatever. Be pedantic.

Wow that felt good! Say I have tourette's next! It'll probably help your argument.

Shields, what wonder. You can use them to sustain damage and poke, or even waste them like you've described in your comment.

Eybdoog1 votes

Haha yeah shields are definitely a form of sustain. Whenever you can absorb damage in lane it’s effectively sustain

Woodakoodashooda4 votes

An AP burst assassin mage bruiser carry whose core item is Nashor's Tooth so as to optimize her passive, her AP ratios, and her ability to eliminate enemies while simultaneously melting objectives. Her only weakness is that she has no escapes once she commits to a fight; so she over compensates by becoming a living nuclear bomb and anything that survives is unable to escape the inevitable fallout that is her spammable dash.

She is one of the most overloaded champions in the game right now.

The X ecutioner 2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Is So Chill,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E4ngLBeZ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2020-01-12T20:47:50.768+0000)

An AP burst assassin mage bruiser carry whose core item is Nashor's Tooth so as to optimize her passive, her AP ratios, and her ability to eliminate enemies while simultaneously melting objectives. Her only weakness is that she has no escapes once she commits to a fight; so she over compensates by becoming a living nuclear bomb and anything that survives is unable to escape the inevitable fallout that is her spammable dash.

She is one of the most overloaded champions in the game right now.

Lol her core item is no longer nashors tooth, people just spam RoA now cause it makes her even more abusable.

I3Iame1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The X ecutioner ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E4ngLBeZ,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2020-01-12T22:36:44.982+0000)

Lol her core item is no longer nashors tooth, people just spam RoA now cause it makes her even more abusable.

Actually RoA sucks ass because it moves her power spike to later on in the game, when actually you should just go for Luden's that way you can shit on everyone early on in the game and mass farm the entire map.

DiveAlive2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Is So Chill,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E4ngLBeZ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2020-01-12T20:47:50.768+0000)

An AP burst assassin mage bruiser carry whose core item is Nashor's Tooth so as to optimize her passive, her AP ratios, and her ability to eliminate enemies while simultaneously melting objectives. Her only weakness is that she has no escapes once she commits to a fight; so she over compensates by becoming a living nuclear bomb and anything that survives is unable to escape the inevitable fallout that is her spammable dash.

She is one of the most overloaded champions in the game right now.

phase rush/protobelt/flash trivializes that weakness.

p.s. I tried camping her, even if u deny her cs, pop her sums, and poke her down, it doesn't really effect her since she can still be a threat at low health.

Shrek Luigi4 votes

if Riot wants to tweak Diana without making any drastic changes, her mana situation would be a good place to start. she isn't the least bit gated by it at all, and it contributes a lot to her ability to bully the enemy laner so relentlessly pre-6.

Spicy Rice3 votes

I mean, where she end's up after her dash is super telegraphed. You know she is going to end up behind you, so it's easy to just throw out a full combo on a diana that goes in.

Ahri Baka1 votes

And who said that's enough to kill her? you can sure land your skillshots , but she has a shield , and 1 shoots you anyway.

Power Cosmic3 votes

The game needs carries like Diana, but they should be on a race to get to their late game builds first.

Eybdoog2 votes

This and only this. Assassins should lose if you play properly but win if you overstep early too many times

Eybdoog1 votes

The problem right now is assassins have all the volition early right now and I’ve makes the game boring to play and watch

HàrrowR3 votes

Made the same post a month ago and got downvoted to hell, she's the same BS design as (AP) Malphite, i can't believe Riot doesn't understand that Land Q= Instant Kill Isn't a fun game design. I've been on both ends of this, had games where all of the lanes were losing except my DIana mid, she proceeds to roam and instakill everyone, come mid game she kills 2 or 3 people alone in a team fight even though all of the enemy lanes won and we just mop up the rest and win the game.

As an ADC main i never really hated Assassins, they have some counterplay most of the time, Diana is both an Assassin and a Bruiser, she can literally wait out your GA/Zhonya in the middle of the teamfight, killing more of your team mates then coming back to finish you off.

Her Q cooldown is ridiculously low and she has way too much damage and surviveability cramped inside a very simple and uninteractive design.

Call me crazy but her dash should actually be a skillshot that you can dodge for the damage it does now, if not then just lower the numbers way the fuck down.

It's funny how people complain that ADCs can 1v1 while also being good at teamfights and then you have things like Diana that are unrivaled 1v1 while also serving as assassins and tanks in teamfights and finishing the games with top damage.

Sylaelque2 votes

Conqueror so powerful especially for champions which scales AP and it goes so well to Diana just like Cassiopeia even Katarina abusing Conqueror in this meta.

ThatGreekBoy2053 votes

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Conqueror so powerful especially for champions which scales AP and it goes so well to Diana just like Cassiopeia even Katarina abusing Conqueror in this meta.

AP assassins are just straight out broken this patch. Diana Fizz Katarina Akali Ekko Elise Shaco Kassadin Evelynn

Dr Dog3 votes

Evelynn ??????

I3Iame2 votes

Diana's busted in some ways but she still has weaknesses. Namely, if she gets a lead, you're fucked. Like your entire team is fucked. A Diana who knows what she's doing and starts to get a kill every 1 / 2 minutes and does that for the next 10 minutes will absolutely destroy your team at the 20 minute mark.

On the other hand, if you manage to beat Diana in lane, then she'll be 100% useless for her team later on. She's not like Akali or Katarina, who can lose lane and go 1/5 but suddenly gets a penta on a random roam or teamfight, and suddenly shits on everyone. Diana's biggest weaknesses are that: 1 she has no escape and 2. she's a stat checker. A lot of people absolutely hate stat checkers because it can become impossible to deal with them if they're too fed. But that's just the harsh reality of the entire concept. If you play Annie and get fed, you're a stat checker, you one shot people out of nowhere, and they get really pissed and start spamming ff in chat. But that's just the way it is, and people have to get used it.

PS But on the idea of stat checking, I find it kinda awkward how that's actually been toned down given that now she has more dodgeable damage than before. People are complaining about the R being "too hard to dodge", but before the rework you couldn't dodge anything if she hit you with her Q. It's only after the rework that some of her damage became dodgeable.

And for those who say you can't flash the R because your flash is on a 300 second cooldown. Get zonhya's? Get creative? I don't know. I've been playing Diana a lot and people get out of my Rs many times. You at least have to try. Right now her ult probably deals around 200-300 damage, so if you dodge that thing, you're gonna have a much higher chance at winning against her all in.

You also have many counters to Diana that are really meta. Mord for instance is a big one, since Mord is an AP fighter like Diana, only he boasts more damage. + Doran's shield really helps against Diana's Q spam. Obviously if you're playing an AP mage, you're gonna have a hard time against Diana, but that's pretty much always going to be the case for any mage that has to fight an assassin. If you're playing Syndra against Zed, you're NOT supposed to win lane. Going neutral in that match-up would only suggest that you're actually winning rather than going neutral.

Tldr - she's broken, but at least make sure that you're playing well, because she's not the only "broken champ" in this game.

Hazardus ducees1 votes

From what I see, an easy fix to this is to have her abilities use mana heavily early game so she can't spam them so easily and walk away with just simple poke damage being taken.

Hibeki1 votes

Its because they deliberately made all of her abilities able to hit on the same frame.

In one frame, the Q lands, the E lands, the W procs all of the orbs, you get a basic attack, electrocute, and moonsilver blade.

In 1 frame.

On top of just buffing her repeatedly and now giving her an added ult there needs to be some power reduction. Whether its the automatic auto on rush or the aoe explosion on orbs. The graphic for Q explosion is extremely misleading, the orbs all hit at once and explode around, they just removed all her proper counterplay.

BakedFrodo1 votes

As a frequent Diana player since s4, I'm still getting used to Moonfall being on R. I like the changes a lot though. I say break her even more and make it a targeted ability like Leona's!

Shazam, no more accidental ult casts! [vlad-salute]

2Charmnot2Charm1 votes

I’m having alright results with Orianna vs Diana.

She can bully diana hard and her engaging pre 6 cant do much, when you can shield yourself and outtrade with autos as she retreats.

Make sure you have taste of blood though, and double D ring first back.

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