Her Passive clearly states PERMANENT STAT INCREASES
This is for all of you guys who think Guinsoos is broken on her because she can build it and unlock all 3 of her abilities bonus powers.
Guinsoos provides temporary stats, not permanent and thus don't count towards that cap.
Riot thought this through beforehand
I think Guinsoo's could still be a great item on her.
It all depends on where those stat milestones are at and how powerful the upgrades actually are.
(for instance, if Q upgrade increases burst potential immensely, then AD would obviously be the way to go first)
But all in all even disregarding the ability upgrades it still seems great for her. Gets her E reset faster and applies her passive much faster (plus her passive does bonus damage on-hit, synergizing with it further). Who knows though, we'll just have to wait and see.
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I'm glad they did that, because we all know what would've happened if Janna could boost her over the limit with her shield.
thanks for clarification
Common misconception about her:
She's not an ADC.
She's Mobile-soon-to-be-jungle-capable-Assassin-ADC-Mage with ounce of tankiness thanks to ADC itemization
Her passive actually states "Item purchases" and "X bonus stat"
Well, to be fair, since we do not know what any of those "permanent stat" milestones are, and Guinsoo's provides all three stats, it still could very well be strong on her. I would hope RIOT planned for that though. It does not look like she will be taking the majority of her damage from autos so she probably will not be among the greatest rageblade abusers from that perspective. One could see a rageblade/gunblade/nashors build though if she gains enough benefit from hitting those milestones. It would actually be nice to see some different build paths used.
I wasnt fooled
Common misconception: She is hot! I mean that wasn't actually a misconception.... anyway she is hot... so yeah.... bye
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Riot thought this through beforehand
That's a first
My favorite thing will be a mid late game hybrid build where she gets everything. It'd be fun if she proves to be a good jgler too
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we'll its good to start somewhere i guess...
I want to know what you all think of going Death's Dance as the first item for Kai'sa? If you go Death's Dance, you will only need a Pickaxe to complete the Q upgrade (thats 4375 gold and 105 bonus AD). Why Death's Dance though, there are other items that could be way better for example, if you are buying Death's Dance for it's life steal and other passive effects, then it is a less effective item on Kai'sa than GunBlade would be because she deals both AD and AP. However, I'm suggesting you buy it because it is the most cost effective item for KAI'SA's purposes, namely her ability upgrades (if you go Gunblade first item then the next cost effective way to get enough AD is Warhammer, Pickaxe, and Long Sword but you're going to have to spend 5125 gold to upgrade her Q that way and that's just barley giving you enough at 100 bonus AD.) Obviously there are many other combinations, but what I'm saying is buying Death's Dance solely for the amount of AD it gives for the cost is the best thing for Kai'sa and her kit. Later you can buy Gunblade and just become a monster that will never die. As far as I know by taking both Death's Dance and Gunblade (at some point), you will get the best of the two unique passives from each so you would get the life steal from ALL dmg types that Gunblade gives, while also getting the Death's Dance passive of having 30% of damage taken as bleed DoT over 3 seconds, which you can EASILY life steal back. I think Kai'sa's mentality is a bit different than for most champs because of her ability upgrade mechanic and just the way her kit is. We haven't really seen it before and what's good for other champs, maybe isn't what is best for Kai'sa. Her upgrades are her power spike, not necessarily the passives that the items give like it would be for many of the other champs. She will benefit from the passives, but they can't have her benefit from the passives the same way as other champs, because that would be too OP, obvi. That's why I think that for Kai'sa, yes you build for the stats items give but what's more important is getting the upgrades on her abilities as fast as possible. Do you want item advantage with Kai'sa or the upgrade advantage?
If you build Death's Dance + Rageblade + Nashor's + Berserkers Boots (boots + dagger will be enough attack speed if you are lvl 10 or higher) you will be able to unlock all three of her bonuses for about 10,000 gold. I think this is a very cost effective way to get all the bonuses unlocked and it still leaves you 2 items to build for situational needs of a game. I know Rageblade is an expensive item and the 'temporary stats' won't count towards the cap, but those bonus stats don't need to count for it to be useful. Rageblade coupled with Kai'sa's E is insane for pushing turrets and once you build the Stinger of Nashor's you will have enough Attack Speed for the E bonus upgrade and when you get this your E cooldown, as long as you are attacking, will be active the whole time in a fight allowing you to constantly reposition and go into stealth. The 'charge' time of going into stealth isn't going to make you lose the Rageblade stacks either once you come out of it there is still enough time to attack with the 6 stacks of Rageblade and keep them going. Your W upgrade is what will make you be able to dive in and get massive kills! Not only does it do more damage the closer you are to the target, but once you upgrade it, it does even more dmg annnnnnd its cooldown is lowered by 50% if you land it! If you miss... well hope they don't have a ton of CC and just E stealth and peace out of there >.<
Her play style is going to be like nothing we have seen before. Its going to be strange and 'break all the rules', like running into a huge minion wave below half health and hitting enemies as Kai'sa will actually be an advantage! Q the wave and with a life steal item you are full health. Just charge in there do damage, take massive damage, Q the minions and its like nothing happened... except possibly a double kill bot lane :P It's just like Riot said, "High risk, high reward." I also think she has potential to give the enemy jungle a run for their money! Her jungle clear time is really fast (which might make her be a jungler more so than an ADC :/ ... but she can roam so much like kill scuttle do dragon without the jungler and won't miss out on too much minion exp if she keeps the wave pushed .. again usually a big no no to do that but Kai'sa don't give a F, she takes what she wants lol) She's like a one woman army (being stuck in the void alone, she's had to be) but I think she can be played literally in any role and be good, but this might have the possibility of making her sub par to other champs. Is there an ADC that does it better than she can? A Mid that can do it better? etc.. OR is it that they just do it different than she does, and its her differences that make up for what she 'lacks'?
Is anyone else thinking along these lines? Am I completely off point in my understanding of Kai'sa and and the way league of legends works lol >.<? Riot has been hinting that they don't want champs stuck in one role and now they come out with a champ that can literally be played anywhere except maybe support and can be built in so many different ways. Sorry for the long post [sg-soraka]
"LIVING WEAPON: When reaching a certain amount of stat from items and base stats, Kai'Sa can evolve the related basic ability. This has a channel time of 2 seconds, and the upgrade is canceled if the said amount of stat isn't reached anymore."
Guinsoos provides flat stats of +50 ability power +35 attack damage +25% attack speed
So her abilities will indeed be affected by buying a Guinsoos, as those stats and any other items will add to the total 100 that she needs for each.
Q: LIVING WEAPON: Requires 100 bonus attack damage to upgrade – Icathian Rain fires 12 missiles and deals 100% increased damage against minions below 35% health.
W: LIVING WEAPON: Requires 100 ability power to upgrade – Void Seeker applies 3 Plasma and refunds 50% of cooldown against enemy champions.
E: LIVING WEAPON: Requires 100% bonus attack speed to upgrade – Supercharger grants Twilight Shroud invisibility while Disarm icon charging.
If people are thinking the passive from Guinsoos is applied, "UNIQUE: Basic attacks grant +8% attack speed, +3 attack damage and +4 ability power for 5 seconds, stacking up to 6 times, granting a total of +48% attack speed, +18 attack damage and +24 ability power. At 6 stacks, gain GUINSOO'S RAGE." then no, that is not the case.
But you can sell the items and the stats won't be permanent anymore :^)
I could see that item being a nice way to get her some stats on everything, then go from there. That’s what I love about her, I can build full ad, ap, or as and it will work. I can also see her being great in multiple lanes.
Guinsoos is still looking like a great item for her. It offers three of the stats she'd want on her kit and her passive is on-hit so it will synergize well. She's based off of Vayne so she's a late-game ADC who would probably gain at least two of her evolved skills late-game.
Dude, remove the effect of her passive and you still give a double tap along with decent AD, AP and AS to someone with increasing magic damage along with stacking/burst mechanics who already have an AS boost, while probably having hybrid scalings on every single capacities. You can put it whatever way you want, but will STILL be broken on her, period. And knowing Riot, they will probably nerf the item instead of the actual champion who deserves it after they'll realize that its synergy is too strong
Yea i think they are attributing the other passive where her basics do increasing magic damage as well. Douche-canooes beyblade, and wits end(with its mr shred and 40 ap hita on basic) will give a short term skyrocket to her damage out put. Throw a lich bane or a triforce on with a dusk blade for a good burst from the initial engage will also make her hell to fight 1v1 maybe even 1v2. A bork for survivability maybe. Oops went off on a tangent. My bad.
It offers a little bit of all 3 she wants. So you can still buy it first to help lower her E cooldown normally and then choose what build you want to go a little later on in the game.
It doesn't matter, what's the point to keep making new silly champions, if they can't balance their present ones?
I'm personaly not afraid of her guinsoo's interaction.. I'm afraid of that the minimum's to unlock her bonuses will be too low
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Her Passive clearly states PERMANENT STAT INCREASES
This is for all of you guys who think Guinsoos is broken on her because she can build it and unlock all 3 of her abilities bonus powers.
Guinsoos provides temporary stats, not permanent and thus don't count towards that cap.
Riot thought this through beforehand
Guinsoo's is going to be bad on her because she's 500 range. None of that other shit matters. She won't be able to stack it before getting blown the fuck up.
Turns out its 100 AD, 100 AP, and +100% AS for the bonuses to trigger atm
100% ATTACK SPEED REACHED
100 AP REACHED
(65 AD remaining)
Even with only the permenant stats it gains you can get a three item set to unlock all three abilities (4 I guess since you need boots).
you get exactly 100 AD and AS, with 130 AP as PERMENANT stats. (with 0 Rageblad stacks)
I did a couple theory building stuff for her and this build is probably ineffective since specializing is always better, but for a fun, casual game, this works. Only advantage is after building triforce, boots and 1 component of Rageblade you unlock the AS boost on her E.
Also she has ABYSMAL (haha, get it?) base AD growth, so the spellblade on Triforce is a waste.
