Silver elo unbalanced and full of trolls/afkers

Joell·4/8/2018, 10:00:01 AM·17 votes·2,910 views

In my last game (Im Silver 3) we lost at 20min because their top laner took all top turrets in 15min and just spammed laugh while shtting on us. After the game I looked at his profile to see that he was platinum last season while I had not even started playing LoL last season. This happens very often and I don't think that its fair that some people just derank on purpose and sh*t on legit low elo players with no effort and they lose lp because of that but I don't think there really is a fix for this.

Also quite often someone goes afk or starts trolling (actually trolling not just playing bad). Could there be a system that gives your lost lp back if a teammate gets banned for trolling/afking/inting? There is a system in csgo that removes all the wins that you got with a cheater if he/she gets banned. For example: I play a game and my teammate starts running down mid and goes 0-10 in 5min. We report him and he gets banned. We get back the lp we lost in that game but the enemy team keeps theirs. And to prevent abusing this system it could only work if a non-premade player gets banned.

23 Comments

TheLegendaddy4/8/2018, 12:08:06 PM5 votes

There are clear solutions to counter smurfs crapping on low elo players and making the queue healthier, but Riot will never dedicate the resources in doing so. It is just the way this company is. We will continue to hear the copout response that it is "way too difficult to make good game"

Feel Apathy4/8/2018, 11:36:00 AM4 votes

Don't forget smurfs and new players.

Irìss4/8/2018, 10:26:15 PM2 votes

It's the same in every elo. Hate to break it to you. In fact, I would argue Diamond 5 is worse than silver :P

woodvsmurph4/8/2018, 8:26:57 PM1 votes

Sadly we can't get our lp back even if someone is proven to rage quit or gets banned for running it down lane inting for the 40th game in a row. Trust me; I've asked.

Two games in a row, jungle comes top, forces play when I tell them not to because there's a 0% chance of success and 100% chance of double kill for enemy team if their jg counter-ganks. My jg fights anyway and rip my lane. Double buffs, camping enemy jg, and 0 help from team as they all lose lanes. Like lvl 3 xin wanting to tower dive lvl 3 full hp, full sums akali with enemy jg topside and healthy. Uh... no. He goes anyways, he dies, akali gets double buffs. I tp back to lane, I save him from enemy jg invade and stealing a jg camp and grab a kill. Cuz I "ks" a kill he had 0 chance of getting, he runs top, suicides as lvl 3 xin vs lvl 5 double buff akali with a giant minion wave shoving to my tower. Later? 2x he steals 20+ minion wave that I would have frozen outside my tower... instead leaving me to walk back as a lvl 4 (i don't remember what levels were the 2nd time) renekton vs lvl 6 akali with gunblade complete and minion wave shoving out to her so she can freeze indefinitely. But ask the boards? That xin was just having a bad game. Definitely didn't try to screw me over at all and doesn't deserve any kind of punishment. Lol. I'd like to see THEM have him play like that on THEIR team for 10 games straight, then talk to me about people having bad games and not deserving any punishment for play like that.

I could honestly handle it if it were a game here or there, but when it's over half my games I get these people... it's too much and something needs to be done about it. I could care less if they are banned or just given a written warning to stop such behavior. I just want it addressed and fixed. Start with the simple consequences and scale up to a ban if they are truly unwilling to reform their play and attitude.

xelaker4/8/2018, 9:13:24 PM1 votes

spoiler alert: gold is too

catastrophicSkil4/9/2018, 5:25:03 PM1 votes

why do people look at playing against smurfs and better players as a negative influence on the game. If you're playing ranked im assuming the intention is to play in a semi competitive environment with the mentality to get better and climb. Why not answer questions about why player X is just straight up better and what you can do to reach that level or go above it instead of crying on the forums.

I don't believe in a system that LP can be re granted based on a flawed banning system and the comparison to cheaters in CS GO is unrelated. You cannot get wins removed for having bad players on your team in CS GO and a system that can reward the losing team is one destined the fail (and league is already starting to fail a system like this would just make things worse)

I don't like you proposal it just doesn't make sense. You're basically saying because you had someone on you team that has under performed they deserve to be banned and you shouldn't be held responsible in any way for the loss your selves. Also inting isn't as clear cut as you think. I take every game seriously and I know I've had games where I've fed like crazy in the first 10 minutes because the lane snowballed just because a player gets reported doesn't mean the report is justified. I've also played numerous games where my top laner is 60 CS behind with 5 deaths at 10 minutes usually its not inting or trolling he's just worse than the opponent this happens a lot with auto fill and new players

The number of times a player actually ints is really low. More often than not the feeding (not inting they are not the same thing) is because they all in at level 2 or 3 and die and the game snowballs. If you go to your Lolking you can see in your last 50 games when you die and in most people i look up especially in low elo they die the most in the first 5 minutes of the game.

Proving someone is trolling vs just bad is hard because a lot of times people just don't think about the why they make plays. They tunnel into whats in front of them without thinking about why its a good play or bad play this is reinforced by result based analysis meaning you decide if a play was good based on the outcome which is a bad way to think about the game because it promotes an insanity type of play style that doesn't promote growth in league especially in low elo you can do the same thing over and over again and get different results. Also off meta picks are not a reason to be banned the champion exists and players have a right to play the game in a way they see fit (obviously this is within reason depending on the actual actions builds and play style but again its hard to prove these kind of things and just because something isnt meta doesn't mean it's troll and doesn't mean a person should be banned and you don't deserve your LP back

As for AFKers there are typically 3 types of afkers.

  1. The ragers usually they are the biggest offenders of result based analysis. The players that you cannot reason with. These are the only ones that ever really get banned for afking or at least i would hope so however usually the result of these players is from a snowball effect of multiple things going wrong on the map and although they may be the leading cause of a loss there are probably things you could've done to improve the situation by better communicating with the team or if you played situations out in a smarter way.
  2. The DCer these games can't really be helped everyone has had them you're in a game all of a sudden you're sitting at 5x or 6x your normal ping for no reason you cannot find the cause of it as your previous game you were playing just fine. You try to reconnect to the game and get numerous errors and if you do reconnect 95% of the time its too late and the game is over.
  3. The game is 100% over afkers or the game hasn't started AFKers. The players that start the game afk really have become harmless because of the 3 minute remake but we all have had those games where people show up last second. It's frustrating because they are put so far behind but you really cannot do anything about it i bet no one ever actually gets banned for doing this because A it happens so rarely and B they return with the intent to win. The 100% game is over afkers are the same pretty much but in reverse they played the game until the last minute or 2 where its just clear the other team has won. These players are sometimes mistaken as the ragers but the biggest difference is when they decide to give up.
Dariouu10/6/2019, 4:34:10 PM1 votes

Well this is a year old thread but, I do think it's mainly silver. I was in Silver III and reached promos twice, failing both times because of people who say ''alright I gotta leave in 10 min'' as soon as the game starts and don't wanna give the option to remake because they're just sad people. My last like 5 ranked games I lost 4 because in 3 of them it seems to be always the jg goes afk as soon as the game starts, being level 4 when everyone is level 10, then dying once early game and deciding to give up and have a negative attitude the whole match, not participate in anything, etc. It's just horrible. Being just demoted to Silver IV now I'm gonna go ahead any say that even Gold might be easier to rank up in... And Gold players, trust me, I truly think it is. I know Gold and Silver has a big skill gap as in Gold players are actually decent and take the ranked matches more seriously.

5050BS4/8/2018, 12:54:11 PM1 votes

It is stacked against you because they put B5 new lvl 30 accounts at S3

So you play to get out of Bronze only to suddenly get B5 players again on your team.

So there are two Humps you have to climb out of.

Tuition Fee4/8/2018, 6:24:50 PM1 votes

I don't think it's just silver. Ranked is a toxic cesspool.