[Proposal] Twisted Treeline gameplay update, New game mode & More. @Riot, Mort, Meddler

Kürama·7/12/2019, 3:43:51 PM·189 votes·21,603 views
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Instead of creating a wall of text, we’ve put together a themed presentation, with slide animations and music to make the read more enjoyable.

Rundown of what’s in it;

  1. Twisted Treeline Gameplay Update
  • Ebonmaw & Vilemaw
  • Altars
  • Team Relics & Timers
  • Arcane Sweeper (TT trinket)
  • Jungle
  • Pool Party Treeline
  1. Missions & Mission Passes
  • Champion Update / Reveal Videos
  • Champion Mastery
  • Map Optimisation
  1. Legend Clubs
  • Legend Club EXP & levelling system
  1. Dominion Gameplay Update
  • Introducing the 6th Capture Point
  • Domination Phases
  • Fortify (Summoner Spell)
  • Soul Anchor & Scrying Orb (Trinket Upgrade)
  • Kalamada’s Relic
  • Crystal Rainforest
  • Dominion Veterans
  1. Grand Battle (New, Region-themed game mode)
  • Foundation
  • Map
  • Premise
  • Region-themed Matchmaking
  • War Status (Ranked Battles)
  • Announcer Voices
  • Jungle
  • Traitor / Defector Camps
  • Themed Mercenary Camps
  • Faction Encampments
  • Void Invasion
  • Grand Battle
  1. And more.

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69 Comments

CytheGuy7/12/2019, 4:50:48 PM49 votes

I'm really supportive of the ideas. However, we've learned about Riot's work ethic over the recent years. This leads me to believe that Riot will only glance at this, decide it's too much work, and go back to doing the bare-minimum to maintain their status as a billion-dollar company.

My personal opinions on the subjects really only concern the Little Legend themed ideas. I think most of the ideas based around acquisition should be the standard for TFT as well as these ideas you have.

If you guys are really, really interested in committing these ideas and want to go even further to do more work than has already been done (seriously, this must have taken a long time to put together and develop, so kudos to you guys!) then you'd be much better off talking to Rioters in person at a business meeting. I have no idea how one would go about doing that, but I definitely don't think that making a Boards post or a Reddit post is the best way to get Riot's attention on these subjects, nor is it the way to get them motivated to do something on this scale.

arowin2427/12/2019, 5:03:53 PM34 votes

the sheer time and effort put in this alone would make it worth considering reading and applying in anyone's opinion.

unfortunately we are stuck to riot games who will likely do nothing with this absolute piece of art. such a shame, regardless VERY well done. you have my congratz. for both paying attention to the current game and older game modes, and even potentially new ones.

+1 upvote.

That's all.

BLIGHTBRINGER7/12/2019, 4:56:56 PM14 votes

I love the massive idea of Grand Battle, good job on nicely designing each slide and well thought through ideas.

Stained Spear7/13/2019, 12:41:16 AM11 votes

I am Kürama. I speak for the treeline. I speak for the treeline, for the trees have no tongues. And I'm asking you sir, at the top of my lungs - that thing! That horrible thing that I see! What's that thing you've made out of my twisted treeline?

Shieda Kayn7/13/2019, 5:26:03 PM8 votes

This is amazing. Didn't know how much I missed Dominion until now. Too bad Riot doesn't care.

Fat Beef7/12/2019, 8:41:15 PM8 votes

Presentations and examples like these truly show how dedicated the playerbase is to improving the game. Props to you for putting in the time and effort, as well as proposing concepts and ideas from an objective perspective. If more ideas were communicated in this fashion, perhaps more would be done on the front of change. Although I don't think every idea should have a presentation dedicated to it, things like this (Twisted Treeline Modernization & Crystal Scar Revamp) are interpreted well in this manner. Overall, this was very well done!

Agent Corgi7/12/2019, 5:30:35 PM7 votes

Wow, that was actually really well done & well put together. Hopefully some of the Rioters atleast take a look at this presentation, you made Treeline seem better & you even got me interested in playing Dominion (a mode that was permanently retired by Riot due to low attendance).

ModThe Djinn7/12/2019, 9:55:47 PM7 votes

...well this is Djinn-bait if I ever saw it. And I have. Here. I love it and, as a designer myself, feel I should preface with that before I start to critique. That said, let's dive in. I'll start with just Treeline, as I've got a lot to say on all of these. :D


#TWISTED TREELINE

Introduction: You lose a lot here by not identifying your up-front goals and areas of noted opportunities improvement. By not doing this you're forcing the viewer to not only guess at the problems you identify but also at the validity of the solutions you propose towards resolving those issues.

Ebonmaw / Vilemaw: This is a good example of the above. The question "does Twisted Treeline need more early objectives" is a good one, but assuming that the difficulty of snagging an early game Vilemaw and that the altars don't sufficiently fill the early game objective role seems ill conceived. Is using the Vilemaw design space the best use of this, or might it be more interesting to increase the push/pull of the altar game or include additional power boosts that could be used to secure that early Vilemaw? The Ebonmaw proposal isn't bad, certainly (although the fact that it boosts your HIGHEST stat -- which may not necessarily be what you WANT boosted -- is frustrating, especially as in non-coordinated teams there will be fighting over this in a way that isn't shared with Rift Herald, which helps the entire team), but I feel there's analysis missing on why you picked this options.

Altars: These feel a bit more skewed than the current buffs, and not in a great way. Homeguard (on a map this small) largely removes the penalty for being forced out of lane, which is a great way to secure an advantage when this buff doesn't exist. This leads to an easy win-more, as it's reasonable to retreat out of an altar fight, heal, trigger homeguard, and rush back to defend it. On top of superior sustain AND superior harass if you have all altars, this makes that advantage potentially overwhelming. Additionally, while the ally buff effect is intriguing, this has two effects -- the "who gets it" potential fights that the Dragon buff suggested above has, and a loss of the ability to deny / contest the current relic, as you've team-locked the individual buffs. This leads to a win-more effect that exacerbates the strong altar bonuses you've already assigned.

Assorted: Your sweeper changes are great, and the jungle suggestions are solid -- although I suspect that using Raptors or Krugs would actually drastically change who can jungle in Treeline, as those are two of the more brutal camps that kind of dictate who can and can't jungle. I suspect you'd see a reduction in viable Treeline junglers, and would, as a result, suggest that perhaps other changes would be preferable.

Promotional: The promotional ideas are on-point, especially the Arcane Sweeper effects. That's a great little spot to add some flair without impacting the game hugely. Pool Party I think doesn't make as strong a case for itself, as Treeline would need to earn that level of attention through an increased playerbase.

Team: I think a big failure point here is that you don't make a good argument for WHY Treeline (or other modes I haven't gotten to yet) merit this level of dedicated resources. Every developer or artist or designer you put onto Treeline for any length of time means a developer, artist, or designer not working on other gamemodes that have proven to be more popular -- this is true to such an extent that even on ARAM (a rather popular mode) champion balance is done in broad, sweeping strokes of +- % damage taken/dealt. While that might be viable on treeline, would it be sufficient, in your eyes, if that were the primary means of balancing champions? If not, what would your suggestion be for sufficiently reducing the production needs of fully supporting Treeline as a first-class game mode?


Daddy Ants7/12/2019, 4:59:56 PM6 votes

There's some really really good stuff in there.

Nice work!

MunchingDragon7/13/2019, 10:15:00 AM6 votes

Hello, fellow gamers! It's Swordfall here. If you have questions about Grand Battle, forward them to me.

We appreciate your feedback! :D

Miles The Man7/12/2019, 9:34:06 PM5 votes

Riot! You have fans who want to help you out with detailed and well thought out changes! Please at least hear them out! There are so many good ideas jam-packed in here. All clearly thought out and designed by people who love this game.

Lemexis7/12/2019, 5:56:59 PM5 votes

How I wish you guys were the owner of Riot games.

Ðu Šhiedah 7/13/2019, 7:34:02 PM4 votes

1+ upvote music makes sense u should be working as a rioter :/

Summoner SpeII7/13/2019, 4:48:56 AM3 votes

the big question is, this takes alot of resources to develop and where does riot get money from this. like tft was developed because many people showed interest and it is sure to generate massive amounts of money, which is why riot puts development into it

iiIhNqTeka7/12/2019, 6:55:17 PM3 votes

This is just so well done, Kudos to you. Have you considered posting this on Reddit, because I think you must.

LBmyBB7/12/2019, 8:41:33 PM3 votes

I should try this method of presentation

Mitsuk37/12/2019, 10:04:27 PM3 votes

Now I want to robe a bank and make a new company and put you there so you can make art . DUUUUUUDE THIS IS A FUCKING ART . FUCK RIOT THEY DONT CARE AT ALL

SLX Raigus7/12/2019, 11:34:49 PM3 votes

I love this, its so thought out and presented nicely.

AYAYA Support7/13/2019, 1:56:20 PM3 votes

A fine idea in my opinion. Riot will not implement it.

DARCKD00M7/13/2019, 1:57:24 PM3 votes

very nice post and ideas too bad riot just ignores us now and do wtvr they want with sht excuses to do so

Gall7/14/2019, 6:13:51 AM3 votes

Love this

Longinus2128/2/2019, 11:57:46 AM3 votes

Read through the powerpoint. These are some really impressive ideas. I really hope you manage to get the attention of at least one Riot employee.

Total Violation7/13/2019, 7:16:41 PM2 votes

The fact that a player did a better job at developing Riot's game than Riot does says alot about the company.

Phoenix1808/23/2019, 7:36:33 PM2 votes

Hire him now!

season10balanced7/14/2019, 10:01:17 PM2 votes

Pls upvote

Vlada Cut7/14/2019, 10:14:32 PM2 votes

YES. TT VGUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Innocent Yurei7/12/2019, 9:42:10 PM2 votes

Rioters, please take this post seriously. As one who's been wanting to see larger than 5v5 modes and other forms of competitive play other than rift, I would be seriously happy if you looked into these ideas.

Phacko8/3/2019, 4:21:30 PM2 votes

#savett

Eternalshiro8/7/2019, 10:13:17 AM2 votes

I wholeheartedly support this. item 3309

YOBIWOY8/10/2019, 11:10:16 PM2 votes

Kurama for president

KFCeytron7/12/2019, 10:12:43 PM2 votes

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with slide animations and music to make the read more enjoyable

Is it 1997 again?

Ðu Šhiedah 1/3/2020, 1:13:28 AM1 votes

**It feels bad after working hard on this then realizes they removed Twisted tree line ** I still like it keep up bro!