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STOP REWORKING ALL THE CHAMPIONS

Mickey Donnerudo·5/4/2016, 10:40:48 PM·79 votes·3,773 views

Imagine a kid growing up with a pet puppy dog. The kid adores the dog and gives it love and care for many years. Then the parents take away the dog and replace it with a different dog of the same breed.

"Oh it's pretty much the same dog!" They say. "That other dog was getting too old anyway."

The child tries to hold back tears. "It's not the same... It's not my dog."

The parents smile weakly and sigh. "You'll get attached to him eventually."

But the kid doesn't. Every time he sees the new dog he is reminded of his old dog. The familiar dog that was taken away from him before they could live out their lives together. The one that had the quirkiness that he liked. The one that suddenly disappeared forever by the mere whim of his parents. "What was wrong with the old dog?" He asks himself.

Time passes, and the boy is still unhappy with his dog. This dog just doesn't connect with him in the same way. A good friend of his tries to cheer him up. "Hey want to come to my house and play with my cat?" "Sure, I've never played with a cat before." The two boys run off and soon enough they are both grinning ear to ear.

"Wow I never knew cats were so cool!" exclaims the boy. The good friend smiles. "You're free to come and play with him every day." "Yes!!! I could play with him all day," the boy screams with joy. As dusk approaches, he runs home, excited to come back tomorrow and play with the cat again.

But that was not to be. The next day, the boy runs to his good friend's house only to find him crying on the porch.

"What happened?!" the boy was distraught at the scene.

The good friend tried to speak between his coughing and sniffling. "M-bgh-my paren-parents took the cat-(sniff)-to-to the pound! They said they'd g-get me a better cat, (sniff) but THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID LAST TIME! waaaanhhh!"

The good friend wailed loudly, but both of the kids jumped when they heard a deafening screech next door. A young girl could be heard from inside the house. "WHERE IS MR. BANKS?! WHERE DID YOU TAKE HIM?" she screamed. "Oh Irene! We got you a new rabbit. His name is Mr. Banks too! I'm sure you'll be very happy together." "THAT'S NOT MR. BANKS!"

For a brief moment, the boys tuned in to silence. "You'll get attached to him eventually," one of the parents finally said.

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Saianna5/4/2016, 11:28:18 PM23 votes

Then the parents take away the dog and replace it with a different dog of the same breed.

Sion Ap/Fighter -> tank/meatshield

Shen tank -> bruiser

Karma Support -> burst mage

Evelynn assassin -> tank

Caitlyn longranged sniper -> bursty ADC

GP fighter/bruiser -> kinda fighter, but mostly hidin in brush spamming his barrels

Olaf fighter/bruiser -> bruiser'ish tank a.k.a "ADC chaser"

Zilean burst mage/support -> .... not sure.. eh. something something

Rengar assassin -> unplayable tank -> insta-kill assassin

Ryze burst mage -> machine gun mage -> neverending root mage -> ???

Soraka mana/health station -> warmog abusing portable fountain

If you ask me, i'd rethink this "of the same breed" part

CoolKnightST5/4/2016, 11:42:14 PM11 votes

Than that boy figured out that his old dog had rabies.

Jalkan5/5/2016, 1:29:56 AM11 votes

How is this relevant to reworks? I think you're trying to set up an analogy, but it doesn't really fit.

BiologicalVirus5/5/2016, 4:25:32 AM7 votes

I love all the new reworks

GJ riot keep the game fresh

ModWulf Helhammer5/4/2016, 11:27:12 PM6 votes

Here's a little thing: you don't own any of the champions. Riot does.

Additionally, reworks and changes are required to keep older champions up to date and strong. Or do you still want old Taric who was pretty much useless except for a single stun?

Serpents Embrace5/5/2016, 1:16:45 AM5 votes

This is how I feel every time they change Cassiopeia.

They take her identity, throw it away and then build her around something else. It's exhausting getting used to new kits and playstyles just to play the same champion. :\

Tribbles Foxfolk5/5/2016, 4:26:38 AM4 votes

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Imagine a kid growing up with a pet puppy dog. The kid adores the dog and gives it love and care for many years. Then the parents take away the dog and replace it with a different dog of the same breed.

"Oh it's pretty much the same dog!" They say. "That other dog was getting too old anyway."

The child tries to hold back tears. "It's not the same... It's not my dog."

The parents smile weakly and sigh. "You'll get attached to him eventually."

But the kid doesn't. Every time he sees the new dog he is reminded of his old dog. The familiar dog that was taken away from him before they could live out their lives together. The one that had the quirkiness that he liked. The one that suddenly disappeared forever by the mere whim of his parents.

Time passes, and the boy is still unhappy with his dog. This dog just doesn't connect with him in the same way. A good friend of his tries to cheer him up. "Hey want to come to my house and play with my cat?" "Sure, I've never played with a cat before." The two boys run off and soon enough they are both grinning ear to ear.

"Wow I never knew cats were so cool!" exclaims the boy. The good friend smiles. "You're free to come and play with him every day." "Yes!!! I could play with him all day," the boy screams with joy. As dusk approaches, he runs home, excited to come back tomorrow and play with the cat again.

But that was not to be. The next day, the boy runs to his good friend's house only to find him crying on the porch.

"What happened?!" the boy was distraught at the scene.

The good friend tried to speak between his coughing and sniffling. "M-bgh-my paren-parents took the cat-(sniff)-to-to the pound! They said they'd g-get me a better cat, (sniff) but THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID LAST TIME! waaaanhhh!"

The good friend wailed loudly, but both of the kids jumped when they heard a deafening screech next door. A young girl could be heard from inside the house. "WHERE IS MR. BANKS?! WHERE DID YOU TAKE HIM?" she screamed. "Oh Irene! We got you a new rabbit. His name is Mr. Banks too! I'm sure you'll be very happy together." "THAT'S NOT MR. BANKS!"

For a brief moment, the boys tuned in to silence. "You'll get attached to him eventually," one of the parents finally said.

Quinn Basically me and this bitch. Quinn. The Bird-Abuser. Before, she was "Quinn & Valor, The Wings of Demacia", a badass girl that raised a nearly-dead bird back to full health and made it a war animal that's loyal only to her. Now, she's "Quinn", the Bird-Abuser. Valor is now a taxi-cab and a throwing dummy. She might as well shout "Shoo, Valor!" every time her passive triggers.

Kotex5/5/2016, 1:19:53 AM4 votes

i cri..... EVER fucking tem.... https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-aK5gl4xACgU/VvBw2swEKhI/AAAAAAAAIBM/zhUUMpwz0Ic/w640-h448/tumblr_static_eju855xfldwggksk444s008ss_640_v2.png

rtbf2256182415/5/2016, 8:05:32 PM3 votes

Basically, you like champions that are incredibly ridiculous to balance and have little to no counterplay or can be played in only a single way.

Ok then.

ModCaptainMårvelous5/5/2016, 7:16:46 AM3 votes

Not an apt comparison.

Instead, imagine a pet shop where there's ten dogs. Each dog is the same breed, the same gender, etc. THe only difference is the name and the color of the collar. Naturally, parents keep buying the exact same pet every time they have one. Kelly the dog gets picked every game. Sally the dog is never picked because why get Sally when you could ever pick Kelly?

The pet store owner realizes this. So, instead, he gets 10 dogs that are each wildly different.

This is the comparison. As a seaosn 1 vet, I'm telling you know that it's about god damn time that Riot is addressing the same-y feel of every single character. It was so bad before that it always boiled down to who was the singular best in that role. It's why Ezreal/Graves/Corki was the holy trinity for like two seasons.

Athenes Lulu5/5/2016, 7:46:11 AM3 votes

But then you forgot how dogs get old and will eventually have to die from sickness. Some breeds are more likely to get sick, mixed breeds tend to live longer. Not all dogs are created equal.

So in the end they have to get replaced to some shape or form.

R185/5/2016, 7:27:19 PM3 votes

The changes aren't made to make "new champion kits", but are meant to change problems that occur within kits. Reworks allow champions to "make sense" in certain metas, while keeping the champions feel. Some are failures (cough Mordekaiser ) while others made some of Rito's biggest mistakes, into champions who had a place in the meta. (Poppy )

Auroramancer5/5/2016, 5:11:05 PM2 votes

Usually, these pet replacement stories tell the tale of maturity, how a child comes to understand that they will, at some point, have to part with the souls that they know in life, and how to come to love other, new souls.

Classically, a kid's dog dies, the parents get a new puppy for the kid, the kid is upset for awhile, and then they realize that the puppy has quirks of its own, and the kid grows to love that new dog.

I think the same can be said here. Old champion states are good memories and learning experiences. New champion states are an adventure to learn and explore. You can stay bitter about what USED TO BE (I still kinda am about Elise being shoved into the jungle from top lane), or you can embrace the new livelihood of the champions through their changes.

IcyPepper5/5/2016, 5:55:50 PM2 votes

But not even doggies can stay puppies forever.

Some grow up, some shed their coats, and sometimes they change through their lives. LoL is a growing game, and sometimes champions need to change. Sometimes they make mistakes, but some champions really needed Fiora Taric Poppy or need a rework Yorick

Only Play Darius5/5/2016, 9:32:32 AM2 votes

Poor Anivia

Bellows5/5/2016, 2:47:09 PM2 votes

Screw OP for the sad story.

Seriously though, I enjoy the reworks on champs that need it. JUST not on champs like viktor, but vlad/malz/cass needed one. EVEN THOUGH I enjoyed old cass, she wasnt really too balanced. (not completely)