Ignorant supports are the main reason ADC can't carry/climb

Cujoh·1/10/2018, 5:04:08 AM·19 votes·5,870 views

I recently wrote an article on here about how players in the support can cost teams games due to poor champion selection, build paths, and lack of knowledge about the support role. The post receive some positive and negative remarks about the ideas I had on the subject matter. I just want to clear up any confusion about me calling the support role second fiddle to ADC. The support role is extremely important due to the amount of utility it can provide for the team. ADC is the only role in the game with a limited champion pool, thus not allowing them to choose anything other than a marksmen (unless you play some off meta champion like Yasuo or Mordekaiser in the bot lane). Unfortunately, the game revolves around who can do the most damage, and thus "carry". Everyone wants to do damage so they can call for their ADC or Mid to get 9x because they didn't do as much damage. The main point of my previous article was to show how support doesn't need to do damage to carry. Good engage or peel can carry, even if that doesn't show up in the post game stats. I don't think people understood that I wasn't trying to project my failures to someone else because I'm insecure about messing up. The ADC role is limited to begin with, and a player picking something that rivals what the ADC does negatively effects their ability to survive and do the damage that the role is intended for.

This article is going to be centered around solo ranked where the ADC and support are not a duo. Champion select is such a valuable key to winning, but most players don't care enough to worry what fits with the team composition. I already mentioned that ADC is limited in champion pool, and champion select is where the mistakes begin. Everyone knows the player Bottom is going to choose something ranged that deals AD (I know there are exception such as Corki and KogMaw). Even if Bottom doesn't show their intended pick, why lock in Zoe as support when mid has Zed shown and top and jungle have Jayce and LeeSin selected, respectively. There is some blame to go towards the solo lanes and jungle, but choosing some AP champion because everyone else has AD selected is idiotic. If no one is going to play tank, the support has to step up and be the tank. The majority of games played in the current meta have some form of a teamfight, and five damage dealers vs a standard composition loses every time. An issue with players have with tanks is that they can be "boring". Not just tanks, but any of the meta supports that provide shielding, healing, peeling, or sustain. This draws back to the desire to do damage. Many support do not trust their ADC to carry so they choose something that can carry, in damage that is. Since only damage matters to the majority of players in the game. I would know, my duo is a damage thirsty Mid laner who selects Zed and wonders why we lost to the armor stacking tanks. Support players need to put trust within their ADC and give them the resources to stay alive and deal damage.

Trusting someone else to do damage can be rough, especially if the ADC is struggling. This is where support players become the heaviest part of the team. They lose a game because their ADC struggled and the opposing ADC make more plays. After this game, they think every ADC will be trash, and proceed to choose a damage dealing mage. The ADC in the following games continue to be useless and deal no damage, have no gold, can't 1v1 anyone on the other team, etc. Rather than blaming the ADC, look at the support. 100+ farm, item 3165, item 3285, no item 2049. This isn't a tag team wrestling match where the support can tag in and deal the damage while the ADC builds tank. That doesn't happen. Ever. I recently went against a Nasus support who had no idea that having the third most farm on the team hurt his team. There are four sources of income and when the support decides to farm, there a five players fighting over the resources. I just so happened to be autofilled support, so I played Soraka and finished with three farm. We won that game without much challenge, and I didn't abandon my ADC after we gave up a double kill to Draven.

The last point I want to make about solo ranked is that it is consistently open for games (except during maintenance). Ranked is not the NFL. There is no set number of games a player can play then they are set at that rank for the season. The games is more like the MLB, where over a course of time, the players average out their wins and loses to find where they belong. Win rates are the main source for finding out what is successful and what isn't. With that in mind, let's look at a hypothetical situation. Some player gets support and plays something off meta. Shaco for example, and this kid wins the game due to some poor play by the other team. Rather than playing what has an over 50 percent win rate, this player will continue to play Shaco support and over time will lose games to the average of the champion. The law of averages is extremely important in ranked play since there a many games to be played and the only way to climb is by winning more than losing. Looking at the current champion.gg support win rates, all the damage dealing mages such as Zoe, Annie, Veigar, Brand, Lux, Xerath, Velkoz, Fiddlesticks, and Teemo are all under 50 percent. It's not like some of these champions are unlucky and lose for reasons other than themselves. They just don't fit what the support role needs for a team to win. Not only that, but the players playing those champions aren't building or playing the champion to it's highest value in the support role.

People believe that climbing is a matter of skill and players will end up where their skill level takes them. I find this very true for all roles except ADC and support. Yes, a good ADC will destroy lower skilled players, but in a lane that is 2v2, there is a need for both players to be working together in order to succeed. Tyler1, a former challenger player who has played the game consistently for a very long time, was placed in Silver following his unban. Had he played in a solo lane, he would of most likely dominated all games in the lower elo, but he is an ADC main. The ADC role is so dependent at times on teammates getting fights started and peeling of assassins or tanks. For players who get support, rather than diminish the value of the ADC, pick a champion that boosts it, and play to enable the ADC to do what the name implies. Support doesn't translate to AP mage who does the most damage in the game. The definition of it is something that bears the weight of something and keeps it upright. ADC can be extremely heavy without the resources they need to do damage. This goes for all players, but especially supports who build damage, look at your own mistakes before lashing out on someone.

This article is just my opinion, and is only backed by experience and win rates found on champion.gg. If you are a player who plays AP damage building supports, or any damage building support, don't hit the comments calling everything I said biased and tilt-induced. All you should do is avoid getting on my team, since I don't like your kind.

32 Comments

MrHaZeYo1/10/2018, 5:12:13 AM7 votes

Pretty good post, idk why you're being downvoted.

Executioner1/10/2018, 5:25:19 AM5 votes

Wow a truth post.

Lord of Math1/10/2018, 6:46:14 AM4 votes

He got downvoted for the "Support must be the tank," the amount of games as support that I can set up amazing plays with say a bard tunnel stun the Soraka and Lucian and my adc goes back to farm and then flames me for helping them kill him via tunnel, or a Nautilus hook and then end up standing there 1v2 against Nami and miss fortune because my adc Varus refused to go in because they had less health than me, or did not have flash. Playing support is already a low satisfaction position, and saying that it is their sole job to make sacrifices is absurd. The amount of times that I would build full tank Sion support, ult in from max range and lock four of the enemies including the Leona , Jayce , Jinx , and Viktor and my miss fortune is running away from me with her ult off cooldown ready to use. This happens way too often, and it is not even always the adc that does it. Then the support gets flamed for inting when MissFortune manages to die to Jinx ult anyways. It might not be that supports are ignorant, but that supports do not want to be in a position where they do not get any satisfaction out of making plays. That is why people play damage supports ad then build full AP. or if you play a healer, then generaly speaking you cannot build tank, and cannot lockdown enemies as effectively. Healers just end up healing and getting flamed for healing the wrong target when Zed ulted and would kill his target even through the heals. It is not even limited to supports who feel this, I played a Mordekaiser game the other day where I went 1 to 4 in lane, not anyones fault but my own since I earned myself some camping from the enemy jungler. My team flames me for feeding and I ask the enemy team if they think that what I am doing is feeding, and they say no, that I was carrying. I took that with a grain of salt, since people were toxic and they probably had an intention to piss off those calling me feeding like the 12 7 Evelynn , We had a teamfight comp, other than eve of course, I would either get caught out trying to peel or when im pushing with two allies within my screen and I proceed to 1v3 get them all down to half health and die because an adc was scared to go into a 2v3 whie our eve did not see any kill potential, so she made it clear she was not going in. This game is filled with shitty people who cost us games, but generalising will not help us, what we need is to encourage people to play better, and earn eachother's trust that we know what we are doing. As a support main it is relieving to find an adc who follows up my Bard double stuns by chunking them and burning the enemy flashes instead of walking back to turret. Or the teammates do not that ignore my tunnel from blue/drake to botlane tower. However yes ignorance is a big thing for supports not building item 2049, I used to think that it was overrated, but boi it is so nice to have, that I will occasionally pick it up even if I am not support, it is just real handy to have. I tend to buy at least two control wards a game I wish that more people would buy them and positon them properly. I like buying one at start and warding the red team side bush just east of midlane right in the tip of the bush to grant vision, for people in the river tend to walk in the bush that is entirely in the river, so it is less likely to be spotted than a control ward where they walk.

Dope Solo1/10/2018, 5:46:32 AM4 votes

Standard comps make stagnant games. Get over it.

Cujoh1/10/2018, 6:41:47 AM3 votes

I didn't write this piece to get a large number of upvotes and approval from the community. I needed to release some tilt from a game I had and writing seems to help me. The title is fairly reasonable since there are a large number of people who do not see the mistakes that they make. I didn't intend for the title to be degrading, but it fit with the tone of the piece. Thanks for the feedback.

AR URF1/10/2018, 5:20:22 AM3 votes

My opinion is that I HATE bot lane because if I'm playing support and I pick Thresh. I feel like unless my hook success rate is in the 90%, the enemy support like Nami or Soraka will just outheal all the dmg my adc does. I used to play Blitzcrank like all the time, but I see no reason to go bot lane solo anymore. If I'm with a friend, then sure.

Athenes Lulu1/10/2018, 6:04:59 PM2 votes

i feel like you are downvoted because supports are obviously "oppressed" by "mean adc mains" that "abuse" everything including their supports, when in reality they refuse to believe the truth because of how much impact supports really have

On the other hand, you actually have good points that people especially here tend to overlook because of their heavy bias against ADCs.

Astorine4/27/2018, 3:37:09 PM2 votes

This may not be constructive but i need a place to vent. I GOT A BLOODY SORAKA SUPP WHEN I WAS JINX, GET THIS! THE SORAKA RUSHED THE ITEM... LICH BANE. AND SOLD HER 1ST SUPP ITEM THEN BUILT BERSERKERS GREAVES AND RUNNANS HURRICANE THEN WENT OFF TO FARM EXP IN THE JUNGLE. SORAKA!. AND DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR ME, DIDN'T LEARN HEAL UNTIL 3 OR 4 AND SPENT MOST OF THE EARLY GAME MID WHILE I HAD TO 1v2. Unheard of in any other game, is it really that scum like that exist that can only find fun in ruining 30 minute fantasy games for people? Makes me want to quit, and I'm sure my report did nothing, riot doesn't care about reports. Most supports i find are a 0/10(stars) and when i supp most adc's are a 4/10(stars). i hate the bot lane and that it has such a huge impact.

Kokua1/10/2018, 5:43:20 AM2 votes

I don't play rank often, and the only season I really played a good handful of matches was Season 6 after introducing my friend to the game. He wanted to play ranked immediately after hitting level 30. And personally, I found mage supports to be quite fun and effective, though I did play tanks on occasion, with a good handful of off meta selections. While the average may be lower overall, your personal average is based on your knowledge of your selection in your role, not other people. My top 5 played champions were Blitzcrank 57% in 46 games, Morgana 59% in 34 games, Annie 55% in 29 games, Lux 61% in 28 games, and Bard 65% in 17 games. Looking below that, you see a huge disparity between percentages, as I didn't pick others too often. I would play tank, and sometimes considered off meta champions, 5 out of 7 wins on Nautilus, and 4 out of 5 wins as Vi. Yes, as support. However, not all tanks worked out for me. Braum with 4 / 11, Leona with 3 / 9, and Alistar with a grand total of 0 / 7. None of them are bad champs, don't get me wrong, but they didn't click with me and the ADC as well as the other tanks or mage support did. Everyone will average differently on different champions when compared to other people, so you shouldn't just look at the overall average and determine one champion to be a good or bad pick for everyone. I would generally start off with support items, but towards the end of the game, I might end up picking up some CS and 1 or 2 damage items. Just because I end a game with 100 cs doesn't mean that I was stealing CS. Most of that CS is obtained when the ADC isn't around that would have otherwise died to the turret, and towards the later part of the game when others already have their builds. Supports are often an item behind in terms of value especially earlier in the game, unless they go with a full cheap support build. Just some old experience from someone who queued up as Support/Fill or Support/Mid for ~200ish games in ranked. I personally prefer ARAM, rotating modes, etc. I don't particularly care for Summoner's Rift as much.

FullmuteAll play1/10/2018, 6:18:56 AM2 votes

First of all, you are getting downvoted, not because of confusion, but because of insulting title (or at least seeming to be one). I downvoted immediately when I saw this, just because I as many other people take everything in negative way, as the first perception. You write "Ignorant support" and really expect us to read further ? After I read your article I removed downvote, because some ideas make sense and I agree with. But what is the group of players this article is focused on ? Is it for supports ? Is it for bronze-silver ? Is it for Master-Challenger ? For example, In Bronze I almost ALWAYS take Brand support, just because I don't trust my team and know that I have more chances to win by dealing damage, than buffing random player, who can appear to be noskill/newbie/troll. Yet I agree you need to know how to actually apply your support, including Brand Zyra e.t.c

Maybe advanced drafting makes sense starting from Silver. From my XP I can't say I had dramatically increased MMR after taking in consideration draft phase, but I believe, that my drafts still invested in higher chances of win.

As for trust... It is really hard to trust your adc (and vice versa) when one makes stupid mistakes/moves, doesn't follow up, helps e.t.c I will rather go to mid or carry toplaner and give him a 80% kill or as minimum burnt sum spell, than staying with adc, who plays not smart, or just doesn't need me.

Just want to add, many adc don't understand that it is OK to give up bot tower, and makes no sense to fight/push when you are alone, even if you are 6/0/x.

Professor Ward4/27/2018, 10:11:28 PM1 votes

While i agree, and have won many games from the support role due to the exact things youve stated being done on the enemy team, it absolutely goes both ways.

The amount of players in my elo(albeit silver) that have been able to follow my support skill level from the adc role are extremely few and far between.

Mistakes i see far too commonly from the adc role and usually mashed into one player:

  • Late to follow up
  • Late to flee
  • Terrible positioning in lane, skirmishes, and lategame fights, almost always out in front ive noticed
  • Inability to press level 2 advantage
  • Non existent control ward purchases
  • Even worse trinket ward coverage and gank visibility
  • The audacity to fight obviously lost 3v2 ganks
  • Terrible creep scores when given extreme lane freedom
  • Terrible recall timing and positioning when behind and ahead
  • Inability to freeze wave
  • Terrible gold efficiency and item buys
  • Inability to extend a lead through objectives, picks, and sidelane farm
  • Lack of rotation knowledge after towers fall or kills are secured
  • Lack of red buff vision and spawn time
  • Not sharing siege or melee minions on relic
  • Not knowing how to share cleared ward gold
  • Not upgrading trinket

All things i absolutely do not see from adcs at my elo, that push me to not even want to touch the soloq button.

Sometimes it really just comes down to you being a better player than the person youre matched up with as a team mate.

Pixelbits1/27/2019, 10:30:41 AM1 votes

Even if this post is more than a year old, I totally agree with your point of view. Supports are there to actually "Support" the team, but it's like people tend to forget that.

Ellphi1/27/2019, 10:43:14 AM1 votes

IDC what support picks as long as they don't suck at it. We've all seen those 'team' players who pick Soraka or something but totally sucks and can't hit anything or set up any plays or ward without feeding.

What makes those damage supports 'bad' in my experience is that other members of the team don't make any effort to accommodate their pick either. The most common mistake is just forcing ganks too hard when the support is playing Xerath or something that can't properly engage or follow up as much as other supports.

TaelongX11/16/2019, 12:10:40 AM1 votes

I would agree that there are tons of shitty support players who don't play their champ properly and do nothing the whole game besides not dying. This has happened many times where I ask the support a simple question on what they are doing and then call out their mistake after hearing their answer.

For example, I'm playing Caitlyn Caitlyn with a Senna Senna support. We both have 600 range and we are against a Jhin Jhin and a Nautilus Nautilus . Obviously we have good poke because of our range and Senna's Q but we are getting destroyed in lane mainly because I'm farming fine but the Senna is literally not doing anything. Later on in the game I asked Senna "Are you using your Q to poke or heal?" The response was "heal" ???? Are you trolling? If you want to play a champ that just heals, play Janna or Nami. Why are you playing Senna? I told her "Why aren't you using it to poke?" "Are you dumb? I'm going to get hooked by Nautilus or bursted down by someone"

I didn't swear or say anything offensive other than that they obviously don't know how to play Senna and shouldn't be playing it in ranked. Got flamed by whole team. Enemy team obviously likes to flame whoever is getting flamed on the enemy team-regardless if they didn't do anything wrong. I can't stand stupid supports who play ranked just to get carried. Support is an important role especially in lane for the ADCs. Any good ADC player will fail to do well when its a 1v2 lane. Support players need to learn to shut up and admit their mistakes. There is a reason ADCs passive aggressively "flame" their support. (We don't flame to pick fights. We just want you step up and not play like shit.