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I feel bad for my own team this season, and I think I should just stop playing the game now.

LaytonApprentice··1 votes·1,146 views

Edit: Preface: I want to get better at the game, If this is a "skill" based problem, please send help and constructional feedback.

-Also ignoring the fact that I'm obviously just bad at my favorite champion, We can't deny that this team focus is leading to toxicity and is overall just bad for everyone.

the story: I used to really enjoy this game back when the game revolved around the best players on each team. These days, it feels like the game now revolves around the worst on each team. It seems like every game is decided by which team has more feeders. I feel like this has become a huge rise in the level of toxicity in the game. Instead of the solo player carrying their team, it's just a bunch frustration trying to get the feeder to play safe. As the game goes on it just gets worse and the bad player suddenly gets relentlessly flamed for a bad game/lane. Not only does this suck for veteran players, but it sucks for new players as well. Suddenly, a brand new "Learning" player is a disability and a handicap for everyone involved.

So now there's me... I don't like the new meta. I want to play what is fun for me, but I can't do that because being off-meta is about as good as being a feeder. Even if I do extremely well on my respective off-meta pick, my team can't make up that difference. One of my favorite champions of all time is Tristana! I love playing Trist and I love the dragon trainer skin... but here is the problem... because im playing Trist, I'm not playing Miss Fortune or Kai'sa. So even though I have 20 kills, full build, AND can kill most squishies in 3 hits. That one person that plays the meta can one shot my team because they are playing dark harvest MF or some other meta pick. Am I just bad because I couldn't carry the game with 20 kills on a "hyper" carry? I feel like I'm just this giant sandbag for my entire team... I mean... what can I do... I went full damage, but the MF can build guardian angel and black cleaver and destroy everyone.

That was just an example of one game I had, but this is the sort of thing I like to play... My playstyle isn't just hurting me anymore, it ruins my team as well. This game just feels completely different from what it used to be. I enjoyed the game back when silly builds didn't drag everyone's game into the gutter. I used to have a respectable win rate, but ever since the marksmen patch... I lose 70% of my games because I don't want to adapt... I want to play my favorite champions and be the best at those specific champions.

tl;dr -Team Focused Gameplay Leads to toxicity -> -Game revolves around feeders instead of leaders -> -Being off-meta is as good as being a feeder -> -I don't like the meta, therefore I'm a feeder I should just quit the game entirely I think.

15 Comments

Full Brain2 votes

Tristana isn't really weak right now... She just has a high skill floor and ceiling comparatively to some of the other ADCs. She is currently like the fifth strongest ADC or so at the pro level. So it is a situation of needing to learn how to play the character better not of it being inferior. Regardless you need to play with a style and build that fits the type of character you picked. If you pick Olaf you don't farm it out for late game you have to force the issue and try to gain a big advantage early. If you are playing Kog you are trying to play safe and farm your items up for late game team fights.

LaytonApprentice1 votes

It's not that Tristana is "bad". I feel she is in a good spot balance wise, but the problem is that playing her is a handicap because the other player is going to pick something thats far and above what I'm playing. I'm literally playing a full build hyper-carry thats being outdamaged late-game by an early game lethality abuser. 3 shot squishies with last whisper, 100% crit, 300 ad vs the one-shotting MF building somewhat defensive with Black Cleaver and GA. Also she presses one button to kill 3 people in 2 seconds while I kite my way into mediocrity in the back.

I mean, what more can I do in my games? I didn't do awful that game. I was dealing alot of damage and getting kills. I was taking objectives and everything, but then this "meta" champion comes in and single-handedly decides my game for me. Am I bad for not being able to push my lead? Is there some way for me to deal even more damage than I already am? What item could I build that would help me? Sacrifice my damage for survivability and get one-shot anyways? I don't want to play something different, so perhaps the better decision is not to play at all? I am open for suggestions. Please tell me how I can be better at tristana. I would do anything to enjoy my favorite champion again.

Lopster2 votes

Your delusional learn to play the game get challenger and you will see all the flaws in this post

LaytonApprentice1 votes

This isn't very constructive and extremely vague. Make me a bullet list that I can go over and learn to improve on. If this really is a skill based problem, then please enlighten me. How can I improve my own play against lucian, miss fortune, or kai'sa? Even you at challenger have only a 45% win rate on Tristana. What am I as a lowly silver supposed to do?

It feels like everyone in this damn game is just trying to be assholes to one another. All you do is just throw this elitist "git gud" post in my face.

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Lopster1 votes

get better auto spacing, wave management and you wont have to deal with op champs if your constantly ahead of them just from better gameplay remember your playing against actual veggies that have no clue how to play the game so if you even play the game the slightest bit right it should be a stomp there is a reason lots of people can get to high elo with shitty champs its not the champ its the player

LaytonApprentice1 votes

I did have a lead, I did have better spacing, my wave management was better. She just autodamaged me at everything. My team was decimated without even lifting a finger. I had 100% crit, 300+ ad, 2.0 attack speed, full build, no defensive items. I did not feed, i did not die, i did more overall damage, but in the end she just steam rolled all over my team while I just did nothing with my pea shooter. I was kiting, and autoing, she pushed one button and 3 people are instantly dead. She accomplished more than I could with a single button, than i could do with all my kiting and full build. My lead meant absolutely nothing. The cherry on top? She had at least 2 somewhat defensive items over me and still managed to do more damage than I could do. She was dumpstered on in lane phase. I was taking turrets left and right. Then she just sat around and farmed until she got her items and dumpstered me instead. I should be winning late game, but in the end it was flipped around. If my champion is only "average" throughout the game, what am i supposed to do against a champion that destroys everything at all stages of the game? What can I do to press my advantage when it's this damn miniscule. I have to put in WAY more effort just to make up for the fact I'm playing Tristana, and that's why I'm nothing but a hinderance to my team.

Lopster1 votes

learn to use your lead properly you should be able to solo carry the game in under 30 mins even from the slightest lead learn how to snowball properly and scenarios like that will be avoided.

Lopster1 votes

also mf and kaisa are dog shit champs atm idk why u r complaining about them

LaytonApprentice1 votes

https://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=ADC&sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend

On what basis do you make these claims? You might be challenger but you still have only 45% wr on trist. MF is 4th and Trist is 17th. While these statistics don't show the overall bigger picture there is clearly a HUGE gap between one pick and the other. I mean, you probably only got Challenger by playing "meta" anyways. None of what you are saying is helping me. It feels like I need twice the effort to make up the gap.

Lopster1 votes

i have 45 percent winrate on trist not cause champ is bad lol because i got unlucky teams for like 10 games i only have 70 games so stop using that as a statistic. and also the first time i got challenger i got it with tristana earlier this season on my other acc and the second time with lucian pre buffs check the winrates for challenger you wont see mf with high winrates. mf only works because people are bad that play against her she is a one dimension champ with no escapes and is super easy to gank and kill. also if mf and kaisa are better than trist why do pros prioritize tristana over kaisa very often and never pick missfortune? win rates above plat dont mean shit ive played in master and below and its filled with awful players.

LaytonApprentice1 votes

So you did well on Tristana back when she was meta before the IE nerfs? I mean, if champion.gg statistics aren't your thing, then how about the world's pick/ban rates? https://lol.gamepedia.com/2018_Season_World_Championship/Play-In/Champion_Statistics. While MF might be a solo queue champion, Lucian and Kai'Sa are still leaps and bounds above trist right now. 40% win rate in worlds is kinda bad.

I mean... would you be able to play Tristana without losing your precious lp? I would have some doubts, because the champion is just outclassed by other champions. You wouldn't consider playing Tristana on your main, because Lucian would dumpster you.

Not to mention this strays from my point that the game is decided by feeders these days. It just feelsbadman.

Lopster1 votes

no they arent lucian is prob strongest ad right now but kaisa is not stronger than trist lol many pros view trist as a kaisa counterpick. but oh well cant fix stupid if you truely believe picking off meta champs is why you cant win despite numerous players reaching high elo with off meta low win rate champions

LaytonApprentice1 votes

You went full circle, your argument is exhausted. I have statistical proof and you have your word. Let's Agree to disagree. Good Night.

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purplexbutterfly2 votes

I think maybe your team composition was bad in team fights or you just weren’t using the right tactics on this particular occasion. MF does deal high damage but she is extremely squishy. She is most vulnerable when she ults so if you have a tank that can take the damage or someone lands a skill shot that cancels her ult she is easy to deal with. You can as Tristana also ult her away when she ults. I am a rookie myself and mainly play supp but I’m now learning how to play ADC. If I’m up against a Tristana no matter what champ I play bot lane I know it’s going to be a tough game. I always find Tristana to be a nightmare when she has a tank support such as Alistar or Braum. I feel like it’s something you’re not doing right. I don’t play Tristana myself but I’ve played against several and that’s just my observation.

Full Brain1 votes

Lucian is pretty clearly the strongest in the current META. Kai'sa has gotten picked a lot early on and by teams who are mostly gone now because the other teams took Tristana, EZ, Sivir, Xayah, and Lucian. I think Kai'sa is still actually more powerful than everyone but Lucian but the problem is she takes so ridiculously long to reach that power. She can barely even engage in team fights until like 40+ minutes into a match at the pro level because her disengage isn't stopping an organized top of the line team from killing her and her ult is a feeding button early on a lot of the time. She has a 45% winrate at worlds right now which is being boosted because Invictus picks her almost every game and their mid laner is their hard carry.

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