Boards are congested and ignored. League subreddit is…

hollywoodxftw · 2017-11-26T09:47:14.759Z

I typically turn to the League of Legends subreddit to process my frustrations and seek more perspectives. It is a large community that I know is visible to Riot Games, so it offers a voice to players. However... recently there was a response from someone on Riot's team who essentially said that while they see our frustrations, we are just one part of the League of Legends community. The League of Legends subreddit is comprised of a diverse group of players who experience the game in entirely different ways, and they are now being dismissed entirely. I have lost my voice within the League of Legends community. I've personally been playing League of Legends since Season 2. I started out in Bronze 5, but I kept playing and over time I've climbed up to Diamond 5. I've been through a lot of frustrations that are felt at lower elo or to more casual players related to not having a thorough understanding of the game's mechanics and patch notes. I've experienced the more specific frustrations about seemingly minor changes having a huge impact on my gameplay at higher elo. I've had periods of time where I played a couple times a month to a dozen of games per day or more. My point is, that I am a member of the League of Legends community, and I deserve to have a voice. This season I am frustrated. In the past, we have had substantial changes across a variety of aspects of the game, and it always took time to adjust, but it always made sense. It was interesting and effective, and it benefited a player's ability to make impactful decisions about their gameplay. Right now the changes we are seeing with the Blue Essence are frustrating, because it feels like the incentive to keep playing has been taken away for a more long-term goal-oriented reward system that is underwhelming at best. But most importantly, the changes with the Runes are disappointing and even infuriating. I keep seeing the rune system being presented as more diverse, but it is anything but. I used to be able to run Janna with Attack Speed, Armor, and Ability Power in my rune page and Windspeaker's Blessing with utility buffs in my masteries. It took time to find the balance for my setup, but it was very user-friendly and customizable. Combinations were seemingly endless, because the masteries offered essential meta-directed buffs, while rune pages offered user-determined options suited to their individual playstyle with the champions they played. The new system is extremely limiting and ineffective, and I want to know if my voice (and the voices of other members of the League of Legends community) is being heard and what response, if any, will be offered so that I can confidently continue to move forward with the League of Legends game and community as it shifts and evolves.

Electro522Nov 27, 20174 votes

You guys have an extremely large community to listen to, most of which hardly ever makes any kind of comment somewhere where it can be seen. However, there is one place every single League player visits when they play.

That being the client.

We all already know that you guys send out surveys to random people all over the globe at random times for random reasons (kind of). I my self have filled out 2 of them.....I think. However, I don't think we have ever seen the results of those surveys. Even though I am not involved with the gaming industry, just by logic, it's easy to understand that you guys at Riot get most of your critical feedback from those surveys, especially since they would go out to people who never go onto social platforms such as Reddit or the Boards.

So.....would it to be too much to ask to see the results of those surveys?

I ask, because people feel as if they're not being listened to. But, perhaps those feelings would change if they got to see actual evidence of Riot taking in the communities feedback as a whole, not just Reddit or the Boards. Take the recent vote for the next Illaoi skin for example. We got to see the result of what a poll came out to be, and while some people would have been a little upset about it, no one could really argue with it, since the community as a whole voted on it. If we got to see the results for "How much are you enjoying League right now?" or "Are you happy with recent changes?", people's minds may start to shift a little. They'll be able to look at the data from your guys' perspective, and come to their own conclusions after that.

RiotSparkleNov 27, 20172 votes

As mentioned by Meddler in some of his posts, we are taking a look at how and when we share data with players, and if we can be doing it more often.

I believe he's started sharing some of our word clouds from champion surveys already, but generally I think you make a fair point.

Electro522Nov 27, 20173 votes

That's good to hear. In fact, what I would like to see is your own guys' version of champ win rate sights. Maybe every other patch, you guys simply present your own data on certain aspects, like a champ's average DPM across all tiers. Maybe that's a bit too specific, but you get my point.

My only advice is to not to be picky with what you show. If you are, the tin-foil-hatters will have your hides.

DeathBurstNov 28, 20171 votes

I used to argue a very similar line of thoughts as you did here during the introduction of Dynamic Q. Ghostcrawler replied that sharing data with players was rarely effective, because then people start arguing about the validity of the data, whether it was collected properly, if the questions were biased to begin with, etc. And sadly, the facts proved him right. So I personally stopped asking for data. I know I'd "use it responsibly" personally (for short), but it's clear that not the whole community would, and I can't blame Riot for that.

RiotSparkleNov 29, 20172 votes

Well, and this is something I've talked about before, there is a danger of actually negatively impacting players when sharing data.

As an example, if I have data that shows that 98% of players find Feature X really easy to use (which like, is an important question to an Experience Designer like me haha ) and you personally have a hard time using Feature X does seeing the data actually make it easier for you to use? Will it convince you Feature X is easy to use, if that's not your own personal experience? Probably not.

You also probably have really valid points of confusion that we could improve on to help Feature X be even MORE easy to use, but you might not share those if "everyone else" can use Feature X really easily. So, there is some danger of making players feel bad or skewing feedback in a non-helpful way when we share Feature X data.

AMYS GRAVENov 29, 20171 votes

because then people start arguing about the validity of the data, whether it was collected properly, if the questions were biased to begin with, etc.

Yeah, because it isn't about just the data, but the process of how they came to the conclusion they did, and the data is only part of that process. This is something that GC never understood because he oversimplified the request for justification as a simple request to release data.

DeathBurstNov 30, 20171 votes

No, the thing is, most people aren't arguing in good faith. They just want to be proven right. The easiest way in the current situation is to ask for data. If you give them data, they start saying that the data is flawed. They are not questioning whether the data is well formed or not, they are just looking for the next reason to keep complaining, and if Riot starts engaging with this kind of behavior, that's just an endless race and a wasted effort.

Same in your reply to Sparkle. You say:

Its not about the data, its about the justification for why feature X was implemented in the way it was in the first place. If your only answer to that question is data (however well formed that data is) then you've still got work to do.

But data is NOT their only answer, that's the whole point of this discussion. They are NOT giving us the data at all. And as sad as it makes me, I agree with their reasons not to.

But let's take this discussion from the other side, I'm not too stubborn. Why do you think they should give us data, and what will be achieved with that? What's the goal and what's there to gain? Because at least one thing is clear from past examples: if your goal is to convince players, it doesn't work.

"You're wrong because our data says so, and no you can't see it." This kind of statement (paraphrased of course) is all too common a pattern when discussing a disliked feature, and it instantly shuts down the conversation.

I don't know for other game companies, but at least as far as Riot is concerned, that's just plain wrong. The ONLY case were they use the data argument is when someone says something along the line "EVERYONE hates that stuff", and Riot typically replies "No, not everyone (because data). But WHY do YOU specifically hate it?". That's anything BUT shutting down the conversation. That's asking for and listening to feedback.

AMYS GRAVEDec 1, 20171 votes

If you give them data, they start saying that the data is flawed.

Good. That's called skepticism, and it is absolutely vital to healthy conversation that both parties can learn from. It was only by exposing the false assumption about DQ that party queuing and new champ select were one feature that we got to an understanding in the first place. We were told over and over that (paraphrasing here) "internal data suggested that most people enjoyed queuing with friends" and it was only by suggesting that their data was flawed in its assumptions that we came to an understanding. Without that skepticism we might not have solo queue now.

if your goal is to convince players, it doesn't work.

Its not their job to convince players, and that shouldn't be the goal of discussion. If riot is setting out to prove that they are right then they have already failed. It needs to be about coming to a mutual understanding. That will only come if both parties are willing to have the conversation in good faith. There are lots of examples of bad faith conversations on these boards from both sides, and its a damn shame, but I'm dubious about your premise that "most people aren't arguing in good faith". I'd point you to some examples, but rioters haven't had any actual conversations on these boards in quite a while. The closest thing we have is Meddler's corner, and most people there are asking questions in good faith. The only reason why so many think your premise is a given is negativity bias.

The ONLY case were they use the data argument is when someone says something along the line "EVERYONE hates that stuff", and Riot typically replies "No, not everyone (because data). But WHY do YOU specifically hate it?"

Again, data is only part of the picture, and you've completely missed the point of why doing exactly what you've described shuts down the conversation. Asking how they came to their conclusions deserves a response, and it isn't a post that starts with a confrontational attitude of "No, you're wrong because of data that i won't show you". By responding in that way they have set the tone for the conversation, and that is one where the rioter has all the power in the conversation to selectively shut down statements using mythical "internal data" while the other person has nothing to turn to. If they aren't willing to explain the data they cite then they are basing their argument on a statement of seemingly scientific/mathematical importance that the other person can not possibly have the means to disprove, and for all intents and purposes of the conversation the rioter is not even wrong. It no longer matters if the rioter elicits more feedback after that because they have already removed the foundation of the discussion, and more importantly the dynamic of conversation that both sides can meaningfully contribute to.

They really have two options, either be open in having their conversations like they used to so meaningful discourse can resume, or retreat from conversations entirely and become passive listeners. Sadly they have largely chosen the second, which was the observation of this thread in the first place.

DeathBurstJan 6, 20181 votes

There are tons of subtle but important mistakes in your post, and I kept this tab open for a month hoping to find some time to point them all out, but I give up, "real life" won't let me.

So let's just say that what you wish for isn't realistic, because PLAYERS will never have the necessary good will and attitude to reach that "common understanding" you're wishing for. And I'm not saying that all players are ass-holes, far from it. A vast majority of players are certainly decent persons. But in such an asymmetric discussion, you just need a small minority of assholes to entirely derail the debate, and given the huge mass of players, you're basically guaranteed that there will be SOME bad apple in the lot.

Don't assume that everyone is just as nice as you, and don't take it personally when Riot isn't treating players as a group as if they were just as nice as you.

AMYS GRAVEJan 9, 20181 votes

PLAYERS will never have the necessary good will and attitude to reach that "common understanding" you're wishing for.

Well RIOT used to come and discuss things with us, and the internet hasn't really changed.

https://youtu.be/p0ZVztROpls?t=59

don't take it personally when Riot isn't treating players as a group as if they were just as nice as you.

There were always bad apples in the lot, and there still are, but that didn't used to deter rioters. If my expectations of people are high it is because i know they are capable of reaching those expectations, and lowering the bar does no one any favors.

So let's just say that what you wish for isn't realistic

Writing people off on the internet is destructive, but its easy. They are just jerks or trolling or w/e. Call it unrealistic if you want but what I've learned over the years is if it isn't forbidden by the laws of physics then it is possible, and I've always been able to work with possible. Once you give up on discourse then the whole system falls apart, and that's what we see happening Riot has all but given up on the boards and as a result they have nearly completely fallen apart. On the other side creating and maintaining an online community is hard, it takes effort, and it requires expectations of how people are allowed to behave, but if we hold ourselves to a higher standard then we can create a forum where we can share ideas and learn something from each others experiences.

https://youtu.be/liAp9iGg7oc?t=29

I'm sorry if you've given up, i truly am, but i haven't yet. If you're waiting for me to give up then pull up a seat, it'll be a while. DFTBA

Tychusfindlay918Nov 27, 20174 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Sparkle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BLHjeqKQ,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2017-11-27T19:06:52.047+0000)

Just because we don't reply to every topic doesn't mean we're not listening. I can tell you that there are Rioters watching and listening (waves) on Boards, the League subreddit and beyond.

And yes, Boards or the League subreddit IS only part of the greater community and also IS diverse in its type of players too. Just because you're a part (everyone is only a part, right?) doesn't mean we ignore your opinions - that wouldn't make any sense. We have to listen to all the different parts if we want to understand the whole.

I know sometimes it may feel like we're ignoring, but I can at least say that I'm personally here reading every day even though I'm mostly listening instead of talking.

Yes, and of course, a red only takes the time to respond to a post complaining about reds not taking time to respond, meanwhile, there are a plethora of posts with legitimate concerns that have yet to be responded to.

RiotSparkleNov 28, 20173 votes

I respond to the topics I can, which admittedly isn't as many as I'd like. But like, I can't answer things I can't answer. :/

ShadowParkerNov 28, 20172 votes

I'm just curious Sparkle, but what do you do and what have you done at riot?

I was low-key stalking you and O noticed that you worked on the friends mobile app but now work on Runes reforged? It just seems like two totally different thing.

RiotSparkleNov 28, 20172 votes

Yep! I'm an Experience Designer. My main projects have included Runes Reforged and the League Friends mobile app, yeah, though I've helped out on things like the elemental dragons, the new client, plants and a buncha smaller stuff.

An Experience Designer, or UX Designer, is a bit like an architect - we make visual layouts for where to display information or place buttons, write documents for how systems should work, write copy for error messages or missions, etc. A bit like a cross between art & game design, if that makes sense.

As to why two totally different projects - Rioters also usually have a degree of freedom in picking their own projects. There were different things about both projects I thought would be good, hard problems to solve and learn from (and that I could help with) which is the perfect blend for a project imho. :)

JaghataiNov 29, 20171 votes

OOOO - can I some how get in contact with you?

I teach game development at a college (not going to say which here... don't want to unmask) and would love to get some information on UX design in the modern game industry especially in terms of where UX, Game Design and Coding overlap.

RiotSparkleNov 29, 20172 votes

Oh cool, glad that's interesting to you! We have some online articles dealing with UX in games on our company Medium blog here: https://medium.com/riot-games-ux-design

If you wanna get in touch with me specifically, feel free to DM me on Twitter and I can connect you to the relevant folks.

Tychusfindlay918Nov 28, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Sparkle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BLHjeqKQ,comment-id=000e00010000,timestamp=2017-11-28T15:14:32.023+0000)

I respond to the topics I can, which admittedly isn't as many as I'd like. But like, I can't answer things I can't answer. :/

You are not the entirety of riot as they appear on these boards.

RiotSparkleNov 28, 20176 votes

Nope. But I also cant speak for anyone else, just myself. So I answer what I can, and I can say honestly that at least I'm listening even if I don't have answers for everything.

Like, it sounds like folks are a bit frustrated I answered here, but feel like I can answer the question 'Is anyone at Riot listening?'. Other things, I can listen/read or talk to coworkers about, but I can't speak intelligently about. If it's not something I'm working on/worked on, then I don't wanna pretend to be an expert yeah? I feel bad because I can totally see how you would feel like 'oh ofc this one a Rioter answers' but, I thought this one was one I had the experience to speak to.

Honest question - would it have been more annoying to you if no one from Riot had answered here? I'm trying to be better at seeing what helps people and what just makes people feel worse, which is never my intention.

Tychusfindlay918Nov 28, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Sparkle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BLHjeqKQ,comment-id=000e0001000000010000,timestamp=2017-11-28T17:59:33.315+0000)

Nope. But I also cant speak for anyone else, just myself. So I answer what I can, and I can say honestly that at least I'm listening even if I don't have answers for everything.

Nor did I ask for you to speak for anyone else. You seem to have misread the statement "you are not the entirety of riot as they appear on these boards."

RiotSparkleNov 28, 20179 votes

Okay. But you're talking to me. Right now. And your original complaint was very specifically about me responding in this topic.

Not looking to get an into an argument or be rude but I am confused at what you're looking for from me, if anything.

Electro522Nov 28, 20172 votes

If I'm to take a guess at what he's trying to say, it's that people don't want just one Rioter commenting on what they can. They want more Rioters being able to come out here and answer questions on what they can answer.

You are but one person at Riot, Sparkle, and Riot as a company has (I'm totally guessing here) well over 1000 employees, half of which are working on the game as a whole. Yet, and I hate to admit it, the amount of Riot comments has been slowly dwindling over the past couple years. Every now and then, we'll have one Rioter like you that comes out and tries to answer everything they can. Repertoir did this once, and possibly even Cactopus. Even Meddler seems to be taking a step back from commenting these days, despite his Quick Gameplay thoughts. Rioters like Kateykhaos, Sweet, Bioluminessence, and others would be on these boards day in and day out. So much so, that their comments would even drown out the Help & Support Rioter comments on the Red tracker. Now, unfortunately, you're lucky to see a comment from them every 2 weeks or so.

I can't really blame you for that, though. When people make posts that compare Riot to that of EA, it must be really discouraging to get on these. Why come on here, and try to make a comment, when you're just going to get blasted from this community.

RiotSparkleNov 29, 20176 votes

Yes, I can say that when I come on Boards some of the topics can be really discouraging. I give huge props to someone like Cactopus, because it's really hard to wade into a topic where everyone is really angry (and will definitely be angry at you specifically if you post there). As for some of the Rioters you've mentioned, they're definitely still around chatting in other ways like Twitter, Tumblr or Reddir.

I've seen a lot of topics on Boards semi-recently personally attacking an individual designer or a team, and I don't think I could ever in good faith ask another Rioter to come talk in a topic that starts out on such hostile ground. It's really unlikely it would be a productive conversation, and honestly there's a real emotional cost there for the designer/team in question. It's also unlikely that I could personally post there - I won't speak on a project someone else is doing. Thus, those topics very often go unanswered.

Personally, I believe that there are a ton of productive conversations where both players and Rioters can learn really valuable things (like this one!) but if a topic is just looking for a punching bag then there are probably better ways you could be spending your time, yeah? Any time spent here is time not spent making stuff for League (or, in my case, sleeping) haha. So I get worried when I see so many topics starting off super emotional or hyperbolic - it's really, really hard to have a conversation in those where participants walk away with more insight than they started with. Now, I'm not saying a topic needs to be a cuddlefest or can't be critical, it just needs to be reasonably framed with the intent of actual discussion.

Anyway, that's my honest opinion and I totally get wanting to hear from a larger variety of Rioters. I will continue to try to share with you folks as best as I personally can, because I really do believe that talking to players is super important.

HongChongDongNov 29, 20172 votes

Replying on a thread like this just to say "See, here's a reply. Everything's fine now, you can go on about your business" doesn't really help anyone.

Someone makes a balance post with concerns towards the game and hopes for some sort of input or feedback, some probably reads it, thinks about it for however long they want, then goes on about their day. The thread is left to players to discuss it on their own and bitch and moan among themselves, and with nothing from your side everyone just feels ignored.

Ok, you read it, great. What do you think about it? Do you agree? Do you disagree? Do you perhaps think you'd want others to look at it? Is this topic worth discussing or does it lack evidence/logic? Are you not replying because you're afraid of the repercussions that your word might cause, do you not believe yourself fit to chime in, or do you just not think it's worth any legitimate acknowledgement?

When you choose to stay silent for whatever reason with no communication, it's always going to feel bad and feel like you're being ignored.

Not once have I ever gotten a single reply or thought or comment or anything about my countless concerns about fizz, instead I get to fight with the community about it and just assume you guys think I'm an idiot or just don't like me and thus I'm not worth your time.

I would gracefully accept any sort of discussion or feedback AT ALL, but I just never get any.

Electro522Nov 29, 20173 votes

What if Meddler, or even Ghostcrawler came out here and said "Fizz is in a very balanced state right now, and we honestly see nothing wrong with him."? Would you take their word for it, or would you just argue about the things you hate about Fizz?

That's one of the problems here. A Rioter may say something, and everyone that just agrees just stays quiet, and those that disagree either argue every point they bring up, or just flat out say "No, you're wrong." despite knowing full well that Riot has VASTLY more data at their fingertips than any of us do.

Another problem is that if you're not like this, and you actually try to make a well thought out post on what problems you are addressing, and your suggestions on how to fix them........they get drowned out by all of the other useless crap that gets put on these boards, and you can't honestly expect the Rioters that know how to answer your question to dig through all of the useless crap in order to find your topic, and give their thoughts on it.

yoshi2790Nov 28, 20172 votes

But just commenting anything would show that you're reading this. You can always comment something like: "We're looking into this problem right now"

Being ignored is incredibly frustrating.

JmmanNov 29, 20172 votes

I would love to give some insights on part of the issue with the posting on the boards.

Its a perception and direction issues.

When the boards are complaining about certain issues dear to the heart. We will take burst damage for instant, and Ez procing things with Q. This are two big ones. First the high damage is cause turrets to be weak. They die to fast. Then champions are 100% to 0ing you before you have time to react. From the end of last season to now damage has been too high. (or at least on some) What did they do when the new runes came out. They buffed AD. Why would it not have been better to let damage be too low and move it up. Now, look at the runes. AD get ton and ton and poke or scaling. AP get more poke. This are what people didn't like about them to begin with. Ap pokes champs out of lane. And AD zergs you in .3 secs. So they make them better. Now you have champs that were hit at the knees with the nerf bad and told they can't zerg people, watching other champs zerg people fast than they did pre-nerf. Non meta mages use 200 to 300 mana just to do 1k damage while AD can AA crit /procs for that now.

You look at the patch notes and Aery is nerfed. Everyone was like well its was op because melee could proc it close and it could come back really quick. Casters could proc it and run up to get it back soon. Instead of making it a set CD to fix this issue they nerf the damage. Sure it might have been needed to be, but the breaking issue was how fast you could use it again.

Now look at EZ. Other champs things get one day on the test realm and scrapped. one day live and destroyed. Every season EZ breaks something because how he can proc things. So Riot then goes and nerfs items, runes, masteries and or leaves him op rather than fixing the procing. One champ can get a 52% win rate and 1% play rate and then get his knees broken. others can have a 65% win and 50% play rate and get a "we are watching it."

When these things keep happening I see two issues. Its failed management and No common direction of game / champs. Then people like you post and give there heart and soul into the game and trying to make the player base happy. Taking your job above and beyond. A true value to a company. Then its gets hard to answer questions you have no control over. They are also very valid questions that also show no true common goal or direction.

Look at the classing of champs. First they put you here then change it to this then re-class them to that. Now change the kit to do more this role. All of this is making chaos when you don't have to have it. Management needs to come and have a common goal / direction for champs and roles. Look at AD / tanks. You have some many different types and subtypes. Now look at AP. They are lumps to but be AP. AP assassins aren't really a thing. Most take AD items too. AP fighters, bruiser, divers, dot, burst.... nope just Mages.

Now people have been yelling up and down about this things. But instead of easy fixes till things get more stable, they totally change classes, items, or etc. riot always hyperbole instead of small changes. Then adds on all the changes for more money. I get it. I'm deal with money and now to make / increase revenue steams all day long. Look at all the older skins. Now how many are bought compared to new ones. I would say new ones are sold ALOT more. The time to make a new skin cost a lot more than to update old ones. If other non-meta champs were allowed to become meta and then you fixed the old skins (which are a lot less cost) you come re-sale the old ones to increase it without a lot of work. Instead you screw with the money system and piss everyone off. Why when you didn't look at all the other options first. Its like leaving money on the table.

All of this going on and you look at the patch notes to see Lux loses .1 ad and some champ like Mord that isn't meta nerfed.

These aren't to you. I would say then are more to the "top Tier" leadership that never seems to be accountable for the direction or actions they take. Then you complain about something for months and finally they said yep this might be a little strong.... its like have you been living in a box.

I get that a lot of balance is subjective but tell me where I can go to see the future direction of the champs roles and impact on the rift. Where are the end goals they want and how to get there. Not exact info just a outline path to go down. Right now it feel like the "top tier" have multiple personalities and direction of the game changes every few month from one end to the other. One month gailo is a tank 3 month later he is the best AP mage on the rift. don't get me started on mobility not be correctly budget in the sense of power.

All in all, 95% of the people think you are great. And others like you go above and beyond. But in the "game Thoughts of the day" most of the time he will not address the major issues until way past time. At least acknowledge the issue and state where he wants to go as in a sense of direction.

sorry for so much of my thoughts on the matter.

marpatt11Nov 30, 20171 votes

Hey, off topic here. But I'm wondering if VU's were cancelled or not since a while back I heard they were. Can you tell me if they were or not? Thanks.

Pika310Nov 30, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Sparkle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BLHjeqKQ,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2017-11-27T19:06:52.047+0000)

I know sometimes it may feel like we're ignoring, but I can at least say that I'm personally here reading every day even though I'm mostly listening instead of talking.

"Hearing" and "listening" are two completely different things entirely. What you're doing is "hearing" the issues, reading threads, sprinkling responses here and there. "LISTENING" can only be proven by taking real action based on the things you hear. History and present-day show a trend of Rito not listening.

Actions speak louder than words and inaction is a form of action.

Im Jayce TopNov 30, 20171 votes

If Riot listens, then how come we see now changes?

Damage is too high, Ezreal/Kha/Ornn/Malz/J4/Twitch/Trist/Shen/Mao/Xin need to be gutted. Runes need to be changed. Top lane is useless. Its all about who wins bot lane. Duskblade is broken. Maw is broken. Crit items are too cheap for a class that gets double the kills in lane and deals the most damage in game.

If you listen, then why arent you doing anything about this? And dont tell me that pathetic Ezreal nerf next patch is actually going to help.

Boards are congested and ignored. League subreddit is being dismissed. Give us a voice, Riot.

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