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Why do people hate Nasus so much?

Dystopiac·3/24/2015, 11:32:58 AM·7 votes·7,112 views

I just won a game as Nasus and in the postgame screen i got treated with the typical"ur nasus" "toxic champ" rubbish for the umpteenth time,so this prompts me to make this post.

Why do people think Nasus is toxic or unhealthy? He has a different gameplay pattern than the other champions,with different powerspikes.He's extremely weak very early,turns into a wargod if unchecked in the midgame and early lategame,then becomes a subpar splitpusher(no mobility) and a useless lump waiting to get bursted in the teamfights once enemy ADC/APC get 5 items. He also isnt even the king of 1v1 bulky duelists-unless extremely behind,Trundle and Olaf ALWAYS outduel,and Shyvana/Mundo give him a solid run for his money.

He has his lane hardcounters(Vlad,Kennen,Olaf,Trundle,Darius)and a MYRIAD of soft counters i wont even bother to list.He's EXTREMELY vulnerable to dives early and autoloses if the enemy bot laneswaps competently(ergo Nasus top never seen in pro play/high diamond).

So why people think doge so toxic?Please elaborate.

55 Comments

Kouga3/24/2015, 11:48:14 AM14 votes

Most of the raging comes from soloq players who don't know how to coordinate against the Champion - but I think a more reasonable explanation, is that there are some champions that are basically an insurance policy against failing. Where their late game potential is so vast or infinite that if you don't finish early, they will come back to win it. Which can feel extremely unsatisfying and even frustrating for players who feel like they did everything right in the beginning.

can feel similar to this. You can shut down Tryndamere hard in the early game but he'll just keep farming and eventually hits a point where he is just razing towers and inhibitors, or is going around wrecking your team ( the latter one is where the "players who can't coordinate" comes in again ) but basically these champions feel like a ticking time bomb. Its like, "Win before 30 minutes, or lose."

I'm not saying that is actually the case - Nasus does fall off in the real late game, but if you don't have a coordinated team who can properly kite him, it can feel like you shut him out of the game for 40 minutes and then he suddenly walks into lane and one-shots your squishy.

Personally I think he's more or less balanced but I think that's why the rage.

YossarianSensei3/24/2015, 12:22:32 PM13 votes

He's an un-interactive time-bomb, all he has to do is sit and farm and not die. The burden of outplaying him is set on the enemy team.

Moreover, Nasus's window of weakness is actually really short, and in solo queue it's unlikely that the stars will align for your team and you actually have 1.) A top that didn't get counterpicked by nasus ,2.) A top laner that knows how to play top lane, 3.) A top laner that knows how to bully Nasus, and 4.) A jungler that knows how to gank nasus

In the event that Nasus's stacks start rolling which like, 8/10 times does happen, he just backdoors like a faggot and can't be stopped outside of a 2+ man gank.

Transgressor3/24/2015, 4:00:07 PM5 votes

I personally think it's because of how Nasus as a champion himself works. In my experience, the only way to shut down a Nasus is to dumb everything you have on him early on, especially if it's a matchup he doesn't really struggle against. But given the fact that I'm a scrub in a scrub division, it usually ends up to a cheesy level 2 gank from which if it ends with me either getting killed or using flash. Both of those cases are positive for a Nasus, since me playing with the constant threat of getting camped(you can ward everything but you'll have to fall back eventually) and his unbearable slow(don't forget his shredding too) eventually set me farther behind. A good Nasus will sit tight, freeze lane under his turret and stack untill hell freezes over. Then he'll dunk you so hard you'll discover your life's true purpose. You could argue that one had ample time to stop him from becoming a monster, but it can be farely hard to deny him of cs he will get NO MATTER WHAT-because even if you devastate him in lane he'll still just stack himself up- because if you aren't carefull or sometimes the champion you play or you are just bad like me you'll end up autopushing the lane in an attempt to deprive him of cs. In addition to the constant threat of ganks(again, you can ward, but that doesn't mean you'll join the enemy jungler in a dance party insite the warded bush) it will inevidably lead to a point when Nasus still gets stacks and 1 or 2 respectable items. From that point on he can just fend for himself due to his kit and itemization even if he is in a shitty situation. Who doesn't love a crippled adc? Who doesn't love AoE shredding? Who doesn't love an On-demand tank that can still do massive damages if left unchecked? The thing is, he doesn't really lose anything from being shit-on early game(sorry for bming), because his stacks always stay the same. He will just lag behind, but if his team is good enough they ALWAYS buy him enough time to get back in the game, and then you just run for your lives. What I'd like to see is him losing stacks every time he dies, similarly to Cho Gath's ultimate, but in less severity. Imagine if Cho just got max stacks for the entire game. If you had a hard time dealing with him when full and then setting him back by eventually killing him, he came back again with full stacks only to go through the same proccess again. Let me iterate: just like the way Nasus's passive scales with levels(I don't remember the numbers) what if his Q lost some stacks as well? In the beggining it could be 5 stakcs, then 8-10, then 15-20, that way he doesn't get to 700 with a trinity despite having died like 8 times already, just because his team was smart enough to buy him enough time?

sorry for the spelling mistakes I didn't bother to proof-read

SgtCrispy3/24/2015, 12:33:43 PM3 votes

Because a champion that just gets huge by afk farming all lane is kind of lame. There's like no interaction with Nasus until he comes out of lane a god.

Ser Garland3/24/2015, 2:10:41 PM3 votes

His play style is what makes him unhealthy. It's not so much that he's OP or has no counter play. but he literally slows the lane phase down and almost forces someone to constantly baby sit Nasus and deny him farm.

If the Nasus player has a bunch of team mates who know how to stall a game too that just makes it all the more toxic.

Daen3/24/2015, 7:23:41 PM2 votes

Nasus is a very noninteractive laner, which is one of the main reasons he's very frustrating to deal with. His extremely high lifesteal passive makes him a nightmare to push out of lane unless you are able to bully him while managing not to push (since he'll just farm under turret all game if you do so). This is of course not even countering Wither, which is basically a "stop interacting with me please" button.

He's a relatively balanced champion, but his innate anti-interaction mechanics make him really annoying to deal with. Unless you have a soft counter champion it's difficult to really make a dent in him, and he'll outscale pretty much every other top laner if not hard denied.

femmé3/24/2015, 8:32:13 PM2 votes

no other champion forces you to play specifically against him, babysitting. from playing against mundo to darius they will require you to play aggressive or defensive simply because of how the players play it. (darius players tend to go aggressive while mundo players are more passive.) but with Nasus, some one can't help their team because they have to sit at top and bully him to no end. The thing is, no matter how well you know the matchup, it'll be really hard to get a kill on nasus solo unless he fucks up on his own. (flash and wither ends an all in period) people hate nasus not because they don't know how to deal with him, because jungle isn't camping him. It's because no matter how bad the nasus is, no matter how good you handle the matchup, if the nasus player has the slightest knowledge on csing then he's going to be able to 1v3 your team eventually no matter what happens. Most people can cs...

Highfather3/24/2015, 4:10:41 PM1 votes

It's his tendency to show up mid game and bop people. He can't carry a game, but no one expects that first bop.

Phoenix Kotori 3/24/2015, 4:29:22 PM1 votes

and autoloses if the enemy bot laneswaps competently

LOL

you *clearly *haven't watched pros when he was picked. Nasus is one of the best top laners in the game at holding tower in a 2 vs 1, you just max spirit fire, sure he gives up q stacks early, but he'll get enough farm to be tanky enough that it generally will screw over your top laner much more unless he is a solid 2 vs 1 champ as well.

Plus Nasus + jungler ganker when both are lvl3 and duo lvl2 is basically a free FB and double kill.

Feathermane3/24/2015, 4:30:34 PM1 votes

He's a juggernaut style champion like Jax MasterYi Tryndamere Vladimir Singed who, no matter what happens earlier, will sit in his lane 24/7, taking down turrets and requiring a group of enemy champions to stop his pushes every couple of minutes, interrupting anything else you might want to do and preventing you from having fun. Also, like Akali Cassiopeia Chogath Diana Fiora Fizz Irelia Jax Orianna Talon Vayne he will 'outscale' his lane opponent in under 10 minutes, like all 'lategame' champions, begin outputting more damage, absorbing more damage and outdueling anyone by design.

Commando Yi3/24/2015, 4:40:06 PM1 votes

nasus is the one champion i hate having on my team

afk farms while his team is playing 4v5, then tries to dive the enemy team 1v5

Aziriously3/24/2015, 4:42:00 PM1 votes

People who hate Nasus either don't know how to fight him (enemies), or think he's too weak early game to justify using (teammates). I personally think he's very balanced atm.

SleepyLionCub3/24/2015, 5:04:40 PM1 votes

I guess it's just because he can't be shut down very hard. A nasus goes 0/6/0 in laning, can still help his team out a lot with his wither and pushing power.

Laughing Fish3/24/2015, 6:21:16 PM1 votes

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Nucleophilic atk3/24/2015, 6:22:57 PM1 votes

Probably because he super easy. People don't lane swap in most levels of the game. I am a bad player (hence silver/gold elo), and I can farm easy with him. Play safe early and be god mid game.

LadyRenly3/24/2015, 7:14:37 PM1 votes

Nasus is completely ridiculous in solo q, because your jungler is too concerned with bot lane and ignores Nasus for too long, and no one ever comes to help you. You have to all in divekill him and hope you come out on top, otherwise he will lifesteal/recall and you will have to start all over again. Requires too much coordination to deal with for just one champion. At least when playing with randoms

Final Raid Boss3/24/2015, 7:19:55 PM1 votes

cuz nasus just keeps on farming regardless of what you do to him. you counterpick him he builds accordingly, you gank him you just slightly slow him down. the only way you can legitimately stop him is if the jungler camps him the majority of the game which is ridiculous and will not happen because you give up so much control if you stay top for a few ganks let alone most of the game

GGMystic3/24/2015, 8:51:50 PM1 votes

Personally, I'm fine playing against a Nasus in lane, but I hate having him on my team because some players seem to have the mentality that if they disregard teamfights and farm/splitpush all game, they can single-handedly win the game. Now if the enemy team plays to your tune, then it works out. However, if they have the common sense to just force the 5v4 fights around other objectives, then you will probably cost your team the game. A majority of the time though, you could prob just group up once you hit your spike and easily win TFs/secure objectives or you could just TP into fights.

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SEKAI3/24/2015, 11:59:40 AM1 votes

He can be problematic in solo queue, which most of the people play in.

So they don't realise that with the slightest amount of strategy involved, Nasus really isn't as strong as they so have felt.

Nasus lacks many things that's why he is compensated for having an OP late game if he has successfully reached there, as a pat on his back saying "good job".

Piantissimo3/24/2015, 2:31:18 PM1 votes

because nasus is a cakewalk to play and is all on the opponent's ability to either kite him, shut him out or group early.

same way assassins are stopped, so outside of a coordinated team they are just annoying to play against as you don't know the ability of your teammates

Izbiz3/24/2015, 3:34:37 PM1 votes

No problems with Nasus. He's just so boring to play as and play against.

The5lacker3/24/2015, 3:35:04 PM1 votes

I wouldn't say he's "Extremely weak early." "Lacks kill potential early" maybe, but his sustain and slow keeps him very healthy in lane, and his ult turns ganks into double kills for him.

Maple Crusader3/24/2015, 3:37:57 PM1 votes

People hate playing against him because he's not fun to play against and with.

Only Play Darius3/24/2015, 3:41:21 PM1 votes

Tryndamere is more toxic.

Late game, a single basic attack does as much damage as a 1000 stack Nasus Q strike. Only reason Tryndamere doesn't completely invalidate Nasus is because Nasus counters Tryndamere at all stages of the game.