Can we address how Tryndamere gets 35% crit chance at level 1?

Bible Camp·3/21/2015, 9:20:18 PM·14 votes·3,693 views

Some champions have things about them that make them good, and then the same champions have characteristics that make them easier to play against. Where does this balance work its self into Tryndamere's existence? Sure things like hard can prevent him from doing his tryn-ish things, but champions who lack such abilities can actually do nothing about him. Every champion has skills, which in turn have cooldowns, if a champion without the hard cc that was spoken of before, they normally do an abnormally large amount of burst or sustained damage. Tryndamere does quite of sustained damage, as players normally build him full ad. When he's this squishy, one could expect him to require superior skills in positioning or teamfighting, but no, this champion has an ability that gives him 5 more seconds of life, even when his health reaches 0. Therefore, your cooldowns or cooldowns don't matter, because you cant kill him anyways.

Not to mention this champion has one of the highest base ad stats in the game, meaning, with that innate 35% crit chance at level one, and with a dorans blade and runes, has can do 120 damage with one auto attack, over and over. Not only is this completely based on RNG, but the whole champion's kit is based off of getting to you, keeping you near him, and auto attacking you more.

17 Comments

stuartk113/21/2015, 9:26:00 PM11 votes

I wouldn't say to nerf him per-say, but instead, change the way that he plays somewhat to be less "snowbally" and not to be as useless when behind. Just too binary in being amazing when he has a lead, and sucks if he doesn't.

test account3/21/2015, 10:21:44 PM8 votes

I operate on a pretty simple rule with Trynd: When he's on the enemy team, his ult has no cooldown and he will always be at max rage. When he's on your team, he never even puts points into his Ult and his passive doesn't exist.

Shield Villain3/21/2015, 11:04:27 PM6 votes

So rather than learning how to zone him out early game, you'd rather he be nerfed? That doesn't quite make any sense.

The problem with Tryn is a simple one. He only has 1 gap closer, and that's it. It's on a somewhat high cool down too, about 8-12 seconds. Meaning he can't just spam onto you. Most Tryns don't even get it until level 3. So level two they're less likely to engage onto you, unless you get really close to him. So there's the simple solution: DON'T GET CLOSE TO HIM. Don't allow him to abuse his high early game stats, out farm him and poke. Play safe, this is generally the accepted method to beat him.

If you have poke harass, use it. Chunk his health little by little until you can finally go in on him with your jungler, if you can't duel him. It's not that difficult to ask for a gank. Typically you'll win too.

Now, as for his ult. Landing an ignite on him, as he's ulted, will typically result in him dying. That or kiting him, which most champions can. Keep at a safe distance and then jump on him when it ends. yeah it's difficult, but he's not very fast. Without his flash or E he's got no escape. Chances are he'd use his e to try to engage onto you or catch you as his ult was used. Use Tryn's moves to your advantage as you would other champions.

If you're up against Ryze, you wouldn't engage him under his tower, would you? He has a stun, why would you let him use it to his fullest?

Yeah Tryn crits and hits you like a truck, but HE HAS TO GET CLOSE TO USE THAT. So the answer is really simple. Don't get close to him. Ask for help, don't let him snow ball, and gg.

3tyson3/21/2015, 9:26:17 PM5 votes

Learn how to deal with tryndamere please there are far worse champs to face if you are lacking in the cc Katarina

StealWolverine3/21/2015, 10:08:23 PM4 votes

you dont need hard cc to counter him though. a mediocre slow is generally enough to make him near useless.

DomainSpecific3/21/2015, 10:35:34 PM3 votes

Trynda is not OP, but the RNG involved is very silly.

Crit as a whole needs to be reworked into "Deals x% more damage on AA".

It's stupid how Trynda can win or lose lane based on how many cheese crits he gets on a lvl 2 all in.

Raptamei3/21/2015, 11:08:04 PM2 votes

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Sure things like hard can prevent him from doing his tryn-ish things, but champions who lack such abilities can actually do nothing about him.

Congratulations! You got counterpicked!

junglerboy163/21/2015, 11:03:07 PM2 votes

The whole point of his design is that you poke him down so he has to expend his fury (and therefore his crit chance) to heal himself. If you play against him correctly, you can usually keep him at 30% fury or less at all times until level 6.

Minrog3/22/2015, 1:07:14 PM1 votes

Hrm. I thought all you needed to fight Trynd was someone who could kite him and takes summoner 14 ? I've also read that Teemo makes Trynd's life hell. Probably most of the duelists as well.

I think stacking a bunch of Crit % runes isn't the best way to build his rune page either, so the crit he has isn't innate. Maybe the Trynd mains would know better but I think Armor Pen or Flat AD would probably be a better way to go, with defensive runes either AD/MR depending on the matchup.

LatetotheRace3/21/2015, 10:22:12 PM1 votes

I think if they replaced his ults "Undying" aspect, and gave it something similar to alistars ult, it would make more sense.

4262873/21/2015, 10:49:35 PM1 votes

Taric dumpsters tryn. Hmmm starting cloth 5....hmmm building nothing but armor...you are welcome.

TotalJerk3/22/2015, 1:06:16 AM1 votes

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innate 35% crit chance

Not innate. He has to build his fury to get it that high. If he's building it up like that in lane, you're fucking up.

thicc as fuk3/22/2015, 1:09:10 AM1 votes

you can get 50% crit with yas at lvl 1