How are plat players and diamonds different?

Flames Swinger·Dec 4, 2019·1 votes·1,945 views

So, I became plat this season, and I really feel like I already know a lot about the game and how to play it, I know most of the matchups and how I should play against each one. I played against diamonds in a custom game once.. I got smacked of course, but I really felt there's nothing I can do there as if I was a bronze, they were so dominant and I really couldn't do anything xD. So... I really don't know how are diamonds so good and how are they so different from plats?

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Communίst UltDec 5, 20191 votes

how are diamonds so good

in most cases they're not

how are they so different from plats?

The biggest difference is their mechanics, sometimes it's a decent wave management, and very rarely a overall good macro.

Nowadays, having a basic knowledge of the game while being good mechanically almost guarantees you a diamond.

I did some kind of challenge, practised kalista and got dia 3 on euw with 61%wr playing only her. She's got the worst wr on her role, and on top of that I'm playing only support for over 2 seasons, so I guess you've already figured out how it looks like lmao

IllabetheDec 5, 20191 votes

I'll be the first to say...... I never mastered Kalista. However, I don't think she feels all that different from when she was pulling 72% in LCS. The only real problem I see with her being able to get that 61% on someone whose mastered her is the fact that her damage requires some long setups where other adcs don't. E > Auto > W > Auto > Q Caitlyn is just so much easier than Kalista and happens much faster.

I know that after built a bit Kalista can mitigate the time factor a bit, but I generally think that's why people don't try to master her: They don't like the windup to overperformance.

I will say I enjoy being Nami, getting ulted by Kalista, Knocking up a duo, Q'ing them, and then having an opporttunity to ult myself to knock up again, and then if everything was timed correctly, getting to Q AGAIN. Friggin nuts.

WoonStruckDec 5, 20191 votes

She's very different from when she was in the LCS.

The amount of slows, especially point/click (hint: blue smite), on the enemy team directly correlates to your viability as Kalista now.

IllabetheDec 5, 20191 votes

Meh. her hops are still large enough on slow to avoid most skill shots :S

WoonStruckDec 5, 20191 votes

That's not the point.

Its her attack speed. Slows basically decrease her attack speed to the point where you're better off standing still and auto attacking; something no other ADC has to do.

Considering slows are the most common form of CC in the game and are pretty much tacked onto EVERYTHING without a thought towards power budget on Riot's part, that's a very big deal and results in you being unable to kite in most cases.

An ADC that can't kite is the epitome of useless.

IllabetheDec 5, 20191 votes

Yet you try to argue that Senna IS useful :) With her awesome 15 second cooldowns and 20% Max move speed.

Senna literally has the worst kiting in the game.

WoonStruckDec 5, 20191 votes

Senna also gets a 20% MS boost every time she auto attacks. :)

She also both significantly out-ranges Kalista and deals her damage in bursts. :)

She also has hard CC and an ADDITIONAL 20% MS from her mist. :)

Keep telling yourself that Senna has the worst kiting in the game. She's not the best, but she's nowhere near the worst.

IllabetheDec 5, 20191 votes

she literally freezes herself when autoing or skilling. SHE STANDS STILL. Kalista doesn't.
Senna's damage doesn't come close to Kalista's. It may be in bursts but it's certainly not SAFE bursts, and it takes a significant team to protect her so she can do those bursts.
Kalista has a much better Hard CC.

WoonStruckDec 5, 20191 votes

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she literally freezes herself when autoing or skilling. SHE STANDS STILL. Kalista doesn't.

Kalista is less mobile than Senna when slowed, and also DOES stand still when autoing, despite the short-range jump after. To ignore that on Kalista is bias.

Senna's damage doesn't come close to Kalista's. It may be in bursts but it's certainly not SAFE bursts, and it takes a significant team to protect her so she can do those bursts.

So basically, you're saying I'm right. Got it.

Kalista has a much better Hard CC.

A CC that requires level 6 and your ally to be nearby isn't "much better Hard CC." Situationally better, but very often not better at all. Otherwise Kalista would be picked just a little bit more than 1.7% vs Senna's 26.5% global pickrate.

It really sounds like you're trying to argue that Senna has more flaws than Kalista.

IllabetheDec 5, 20191 votes

Or..... Kalista..... like Nidalee, Elise, Irelia..... her tasking gives people headaches in micro management, and very real hand conditions caused by typing in a specific pattern or trying to master control over their positioning.

Senna is new. Kalista never ever even had a player base, even when she was broken. Something about her design never appealed to the broad player base. Kind of like how Zoe doesn't appeal to the general player base. Or how even though potentially strong, Zilean never has had player base appeal. How often do you see a Skarner?

The fact is, aesthetic appeal is always a factor, and Kalista doesn't have it. She's monochrome, her voiceovers are bland, her skill set isn't flashy.... and she takes a lot of work to play.

I'm going to sound biased for voicing my opinion, but League only has a few appealing girls who pull off the pretty nonwhite nonasian theme: Illaoi Pulls off the big strong athletic girl. Qiyana pulls off "thicc" and more culturally current. Senna pulls off the perfect 10. Kalista has never had any of those appeals (and is probably why Senna was reinvented with a Fleshy character!). And notice..... all three came after Kalista.

IllabetheDec 5, 20191 votes

From my experience:

Platinum is an elo where people understand their champs, most other champions and are cautious about overreaching in farming to harass too often. They understand the difference in value between 8-9 CS a minute and attempting and failing to engage a champion. They generally watch their mana, and communicate warding.

However, they generally still lack the ability to transition smoothly from playing defensively to playing offensively. Diamonds generally do that better.

Modl Ryden lDec 5, 20191 votes

From my experience in previous seasons attending different tournaments where my teams of most 3x plat and 2x gold faced against teams of 2x plat and 3x diamond or something similar.

Diamond players usually have plans within plans, planned way before the game has even started so they have methods to fall back on in case something bad happens.

Diamond players also have thing for timing. I still haven't gotten it all together yet but because Diamond players have plans figured out ahead of time, they execute plans and ganks with little to no hesitation. It's insane.

But something this isn't always the case. Sometimes getting to Diamond is just pure luck and some of them aren't even really that good, the just get lucky.

I will say, a lot of my diamond friends tend to be the kind of player that picks up almost any role while still outputting great results and doing well coordinating the team.

I guess all I can really go back to is that they're good strategists overall.

Inkling CommandoDec 5, 20191 votes

I would say something but it would probably get me banned from the boards.

Linna ExcelDec 5, 20191 votes

Neace has some videos about how to get to the next elo. He's only done top and mid, but some general hints are there.

Best hints I can give you is pay better attention to the map and jungle timers, start tracking the enemy jungler, improve your mechanics, improve your macro, start learning how other champs work as far as match ups are concerned, start learning the power spikes, and have a pool in your main and second role who aren't hard countered by the same group of champions. For the other 3 roles, grab champs who are easy as possible.

Biggest things you've got to learn though is how to be carriable and how to come back.