Riot, the Zed nerf makes him much more of a binary champion, something you've said you don't want.

Arctic Wolf·5/13/2015, 2:50:55 PM·2 votes·1,006 views

How many times has the balance team reworked champions saying they wanted them to feel less binary? You recently reworked Ryze, Kassadin, and Veigar for this reason, to eliminate binary play styles, but their viability plummeted so fast they required almost immediate attention following their reworks (with Ryze's incoming). On these champions you took away strengths without giving them anything to compensate for that. This is basically what you're doing to Zed by removing the option to teleport back to his shadow immediately after ulting. Zed's ult was really unique because it allowed him to dodge skill shots/cc and you could really outplay you opponents if your mastery on Zed was high enough. I don't expect that this nerf really does much for his viability in bronze-low gold, but once you get higher up that 1 second he is forced to stay keeps him there long enough to be susceptible to skill shots and cc; at that point his ult is not significantly different than a Diana or an Akali ult. Sure, you can argue that he can W early to make sure that he is able to teleport to his W, but now you're forcing a Zed into a highly predictable play-style and further limiting his mobility. It is this limiting of options which is why the Zed nerf doesn't make sense with what balancing has been trying to do.

Let's look at some good examples of your balance changes: Removing DFG (as much as I miss it, playing primarily AP burst mages) forced AP carries to actually think about their builds, rather than just know they could build this one item and kill anyone. Speaking of AP mages, Sion went from being a weird AP Burst mage where he'd either stun you and blow you up with his shield, or be useless. With his rework he is now an excellent solo-laner, a solid jungler, and brings a whole lot more to the table than he used to. His ult is excellent and designed as an unstoppable engage tool. However, when in trouble many people use it to retreat. Are you going to change his ult so that he can't ult away from the direction of his enemies? No, because enemy champions can get in the way to block his retreat. But this is what you're basically doing to Zed--his enemies could previously outplay his ult, but it took skill. However, you are so concerned about Zed's ability to outplay his enemies you've inadvertently made lane match-ups which were based on skill now nearly impossible. Champions like Ahri, Syndra, and Cassiopeia (just to name a few) now require significantly less skill to outplay Zed, tilting the match-up heavily in favor of the champ holding CC, to the point where I'd be surprised if Zhonya's was even a necessary rush item for these champs when playing against Zed because his death mark is laughable when you can CC him and force him to retreat or die.

Also, why even nerf Zed? It's not like he is in the state of S2 Ahri/Morg or S3 TF/Kass where they were basically a free win. He isn't even the best option in the current tank meta. It honestly feels like someone on the balance team had a few bad matches against a Zed player and got overly salty.

TL;DR: Your balance changes on Zed confuse me because it forces him into a more binary play-style, something you actively claim to be trying to steer away from. I would like an explanation as to why you think Zed even needed this nerf, and why you think that this is a good idea, rather than just nerfing his damage.

8 Comments

Titanium705/13/2015, 3:32:39 PM5 votes

Srsly... what I read is "OMG they´re adding actuall counterplay to Zed Ult - and OMG you can outplay a Zed now1111!!!!".... (making your selfe untagetable or buying MR as only option is NO resonable counterpaly!) Zed is a Save Assassing thats really bad to begin with - on top of this he has this Ult with tons off additional effects. He´s just to good at everything - so something had to go! (Personaly I would have hit his Waveclear be making Q like Lux/Veigar Q - but i´m fine with this as well - thx Riot... finally)

Laeconian5/13/2015, 3:04:26 PM3 votes

Zed obviously needed a nerf. That's pretty much clear to anyone who isn't a zed main. I don't know if you're just good at playing against him, he's more often on your team, or the ones you see are just bad... But Zed is still quite viable. He might still be in a spot where it's more difficult to pick a solid counter to him than to many other champions (esp mid picks) Don't say malzahar, because zed just counters him with a single item.

Don't defend broken champions when they really ought to be nerfed a little harder because riot's overestimating their skill cap. Ahem * fizz * yasuo *

Meep Man5/13/2015, 3:33:51 PM3 votes

Its funny, because the one small Zed nerf everyone wants gets put into place and suddenly half the threads are complaints. Guys, this is fine. Realize that Zed will probably be finally untouched after this.

Sire Hippington5/13/2015, 3:19:49 PM2 votes

how does that make him more binary? it lowers his betcase(R->QWE+AA+actives->R again to get a kill while beeing in the enemie team for only a splitsecond(after the change atleast a sec). It does nothing to his usuall pattern, cause if not far ahead, he needs follow up on his R with multiplAAs, so he normally delays the second R for more than a sec anyway. Lowering the bestcase without hurting the worse cases doesn't increase binarry, it reduces it(not very much in this case, but atleast a bit)

And also, him beeing more vulnerable to skillshots and cc is exactly the purpose off that nerf... 1 sec isnot so much, and you still have W, zed remains a master of jukes, just with atleast a minimum off risk on all-ins.

Tsukuy0m15/13/2015, 3:32:18 PM1 votes

not sure why you are getting downvoted.

Zed does need a nerf. but not in this way.

that was your whole point, but people are downvoting you saying "zed needs a nerf".

our argument is that not in this way. it doesnt have to be this way.

Abyssphere5/13/2015, 4:18:48 PM1 votes

There is a limit to how many options a champ should have. Does this nerf make him more "binary"? If having one less option/way to outplay is binary to you, yes. But you have to find a happy middle between binary champs and champs who have an answer to everything and Zed has been leaning far too much to the "answer to everything" side for far too long.

Being binary is bad, but having an answer for every situation is bad too.