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As a Rengar and Kha'Zix main, I have to ask Riot. WTF were you guys thinking????

Rait·11/10/2016, 4:18:09 PM·46 votes·6,869 views

Okay before you guys downvote me, here me out first!

So I'm sure you all know, Rengar and Khazix one shot combo's are even easier now or you've been one shot by them already!

Rengar's damage is off the charts, I got 4 stacks on my bone tooth passive before and I had 250 ad at 10 minutes... at this point I had like 6 kills of course, but all I had completed was my jungle item and half of ghost blade. Of course I had some issue hunting players down due to the alert thing being so long ranged. But in the end, no one got away from me, Rengar has never been faster, scarier and most deadly since the season 3 Rengar where he can q stack 4 times and do 2k damage with one normal auto. Of course compare to back then this is not that bad. But in no way it's balanced.

Here's what I propose you do to Rengar, lower the bone tooth passive to 20% only cause he doesn't need 30% from only 5 unique kills this makes the RNG inferno drake a joke. I had a game where I gotten 2 inferno drake and I had 500 ad at 25 minutes.

When Rengar ults, everybody on the map gets an ! mark immediately and only that one unlucky guy who is near Rengar gets the special alert.

Rengar's Q cd get change back to what it was before cause 4 second is too sort for a level 1 abilities that does so much damage! thats all I think you need to change with Rengar, or just revert him back to what he was.

Now lets talk about Kha'zix, you changed him so he has more variety in evolving his abilities. Here are the problems with this, an isolated target that kha'zix q's lower the cd on his q. okay how are people suppose to counter this unless they group or not fight at all?

I'm always gonna evolve my q and then e because you guys never fix the kha'zix ult bug where if you have red buff and auto someone before, and you ult. The red buff damage is just gonna force your ult to cancel. granted evolving ult does allow an interesting stealth spam. Kha'zix new mini rework just made him into someone who is always gonna spam q on that one unlucky target who gets isolated.

Kha'zix W allows him to heal, slow, deal damage and if he evolves it. it does the samething only more targets get hit and more damage if the unlucky target gets isolated. First it heals, slows, and does damage. maybe make it so it doesn't heal unless your hitting minions or something.

Now lets talk about the most annoying thing you guys did to kha'zix that made me so confused, His passive. It now scales with... ad? before it scales with ap and still did good damage, but now. Thanks to this passive scaling with ad, I can one shot people much faster and you guys wanted to give the enemy team window for counter play? I'm sorry but unless your new to kha'zix, I'm pretty sure any person with decent knowledge of how he works will just one shot people left and right. You guys either have to lower the ad ratio or revert it back to ap scaling.

So at the end of the day you guys can revert these silly changes, or increase the cd on certain abilities like both their q. Since they can spam it so well and lower both their unique passive scaling or percentage boost on bone tooth. Thank you for reading all this!

56 Comments

Oglaf11/10/2016, 4:19:16 PM24 votes

It was a clear case of Riot breaking the rule of "Don't attempt to fix that which is not broken".

N3mO0611/10/2016, 6:05:58 PM8 votes

Now Rengar Has broken damage, but it's the only thing he has. New R is nothing more then a closegap with a crit every 40 sec rank 3 ( very poor gameplay, even in season 2 riot could create a depper gameplay) and this makes me very sad. Emp w is a clease, sure, but you can't stack ferocity if stunned to used it. Ferocity generator sucks and so many times I couldn't reach 4 stacks just because I was engaged during R and rengar didn't leap. Q is a way to easy to miss if the enemy has a dash or a m speed boost, it's not like yasuo's q, it has 2 frame of damage and an animation of 0,3 sec. When they will nerf him, because this shit must be nerfed,( 2k crit point and click in season 7, really riot!?!?) he will be something more then a minion. I hope this will happen, because Thoughts like: things done badly just because you do not have enough time, have no place in a serious game.

feryvunny11/10/2016, 4:34:05 PM7 votes

Thought this was going to be an "assassin rework is garbage" post. Glad there was some actual reason and insight into this

-Rengar: definitely agree that his damage is really crazy. I guess they wanted to compensate for his ult predictability. I did hear that his high bases (specifically Q) makes him kinda better as bruiser Rengar, as you can still 1 shot squishies just a bit slower, but you can survive a lot longer, which is completely stupid.

-Khazix: apparently he's borderline busted now and I can definitely see them nerfing him later. I don't get why he needed extra stealth and more damage...

VasilisGreen11/11/2016, 8:57:39 AM5 votes

Can we just go back to Season 5 already?

Gixia11/11/2016, 4:12:53 AM2 votes

I can't comment on Rengar, but I don't believe for even one second that you're a Kha'Zix main.

[{quoted}](name=Draigo or Dwaigo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AzFiz2dr,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-11-10T16:18:09.351+0000) Now lets talk about Kha'zix, you changed him so he has more variety in evolving his abilities. Here are the problems with this, an isolated target that kha'zix q's lower the cd on his q. okay how are people suppose to counter this unless they group or not fight at all?

Simple, you just said it yourself, you group up. This isn't new, this is literally the way Kha'Zix has always been. Q evolution lowers the CD now, but it used to have a lower CD by default, and it also used to hit harder. If you group up, Kha's new Q is strictly worse than his old Q. Grouping up was already what you were supposed to do and now it punishes him even more than it did before. They made evolved Q lower the CD to make up for the fact that they nerfed both the damage and CD of Q. IF you're isolated, he can now get more Qs off faster, but he used to only even need to use it once to begin with. Now he at least actually needs to cast Q more than once.

Kha'zix W allows him to heal, slow, deal damage and if he evolves it. it does the samething only more targets get hit and more damage if the unlucky target gets isolated. First it heals, slows, and does damage. maybe make it so it doesn't heal unless your hitting minions or something.

I don't know why you're bringing up Kha's W as if it's something they changed to make him more OP when his W got nerfed in the rework. W doesn't slow anymore unless you evolve it, and if you do evolve it, it still slows for less than it used to unless they're isolated. The heal on his W is also really weak and always has been, considering both its mana cost and the length of its CD.

AninLegions77711/11/2016, 5:02:09 PM2 votes

Rengar and Kha's rework actually made sense. You are just ranting for the most part. The only part I agree is the dmg. Right now they deal a lot of dmg but when compared to last season when I could E>Q>AA>Thunderlords the enemy ADC as Kha and delete them or Hold 5 stacks or Q as rengar, ult and destroy ADC, isolated or not, their current dmg is like 3/4 of that. They no longer oneshot as quick as before. They now have to think. No more "Hold 5 stacks and destroy one enemy every 30 seconds" Rengar. No more "Ult, Jump in, Q, Rinse and Repeat" Kha. The ONLY reason I'd say they should nerf Kha is because of his R passive which allows him to stealth in bush. Rengar's in a good state. It's wayyyyy easier to deal with him now since he doesn't have vision of everyone and is visible once close enough.

Dynamiku Entry11/11/2016, 8:06:32 AM2 votes

Riot doing something wrong? Nah those guys are perfect and never make mistakes and always know what's best for their game.

Ferus and Ferrum11/11/2016, 12:38:45 AM2 votes

The damage on level 1 q really isn't that high and doubling the cooldown seems a bit excessive. Clearing on rengar got alot worse since your q no longer procs lifesteal, reset's your auto attack, or grants you ad and attackspeed. and overall due to the base heal on w going away, his q had to be changed in order for him to survive in the jungle.

To be fair I think bonetooth is waaaay too strong atm and the damage reduction you thought off seems fair.

I don't really agree as much with khazix though. Though yes his numbers are high right now I like the q change. Instead of doing MASSIVE DAMAGE all in one huge burst enough to oneshot, his damage is lower but more frequent. The entire point is that if you get caught out while isolated khazix should kill you unless he misplays.

NightmareAmazoX11/11/2016, 10:25:36 AM1 votes

no u

Mirage Seraph11/11/2016, 12:32:15 PM1 votes

Kha main myself. Think I hit 150K Mastery Points tonight? Considering I play rather on and off I'm quite proud of it.

Frankly I LOVE the rework he got. Although I'm still evolving the same way (Q-E-R) I feel like each evolution actually changes the way I play, instead of just making whatever I'm already doing better. Save for E, which already did that. Before I continue, I feel the bug needs nerfs. Notably on his Passive.

The fact that they made it scale with AD is FANTASTIC. This is something I've been wanting for a looong time, it gives him a way to put out some degree of damage in a teamfight without being overtly reliant on Isolation. The problem is that .4 Bonus AD is frankly a lot of damage, it feels like it does more than his Q with Duskblade and that Bush Mastery proccing. I'd say tune that to .3 Bonus AD and that's fine.

Regarding your post... Nerfing his W wouldn't "fix" anything. The heal on it is negligible already and puts him at a severe range disadvantage when he tries proccing it outside of his Kill Combo. As is, Riot already nerfed it big time unless you Evolve it and hit Isolated targets anyways. As far as I'm aware nobody evolves it right now anyways, so now it's just worse for most Kha's.

Still not sure where I stand on his new Evo Ult. I definitely prefer it just cause it's so much fun, but I dunno if it's worth evolving before Q. It doesn't proc in combat so it's only useful before fights, so, essentially while roaming or before a gank. But it now lasts less time and has less charges, which hurts a lot. Don't want more charges though, that'd be a direct buff to his Passive which he doesn't need whatsoever.

All in all what would I change? Change the passive ratio to a .3 Bonus AD, or nerf Duskblade. or both! Increase Evo Invis duration to 2 Seconds to give me reason to evolve it over Q (bush duration is fine). Q is fine, I wouldn't cry over reducing the 60% refund a bit but I think Q is fine. W and E are fine as is.

Praetor Notorias11/11/2016, 3:01:39 PM1 votes

I dunno. I had a lot of fun catching rengars in aqua prisons cause of how predictable they are now. It was fun blasting one who popped ghost, youmous, and came in at a bazillion miles per hour only to die to turret while stuck in a bubble.

AninLegions77711/11/2016, 5:04:23 PM1 votes

Rengar and Kha's rework actually made sense. You are just ranting for the most part. The only part I agree is the dmg. Right now they deal a lot of dmg but when compared to last season when I could E>Q>AA>Thunderlords the enemy ADC as Kha and delete them or Hold 5 stacks or Q as rengar, ult and destroy ADC, isolated or not, their current dmg is like 3/4 of that. They no longer oneshot as quick as before. They now have to think. No more "Hold 5 stacks and destroy one enemy every 30 seconds" Rengar. No more "Ult, Jump in, Q, Rinse and Repeat" Kha. The ONLY reason I'd say they should nerf Kha is because of his R passive which allows him to stealth in bush. Rengar's in a good state. It's wayyyyy easier to deal with him now since he doesn't have vision of everyone and is visible once close enough.

Variks the Loyal11/11/2016, 6:48:46 PM1 votes

I like both Rengar and Kha, a LOT, right now, especially in terms of playstyle and fantasy. They hit the nail on the head.

Maybe some numbers a bit high, but they shouldn't wontonly swing the nerf bat around. Let them all settle in first, let counters arise and weaknesses get discovered.

HazyCloud711/11/2016, 11:15:38 PM1 votes

The only 2 assassins that are actually assassins now.

Draknar11/12/2016, 4:57:47 PM1 votes

My thoughts, here:

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/whrnbXdE-the-boring-cat-fiasco-rengar-mains-unite

Rengar mains, unite!

Dracocrash11/10/2016, 5:25:17 PM1 votes

kha'zix passive damage is pretty much the same tbh. they lowered the base damage and gave it a scaling.

Jad11/10/2016, 8:07:36 PM1 votes

"Outplay potential" LUL

WhaiiSoSerious11/11/2016, 12:13:53 AM1 votes

Have you met talon yet

iTaLenTZ11/11/2016, 12:56:57 AM1 votes

I didn't have high hopes for Rengar anyway. The moment I saw Repertoir was assigned to his rework I knew he would turn out to be problematic. Ryze Malzahar Graves Quinn Skarner

GULAG 4 U11/11/2016, 1:55:04 AM1 votes

"i'm always going to evolve Q first"

If you do that you miss out on

-R's amazing ganks

-W's CC

-E's ganks/resets

THe red buff interaction is a bug, so it doesn't count. Q deals too much damage and needs to be nerfed a little, everything else is fine.

Alleo11/11/2016, 2:30:54 AM1 votes

I think kha's changes are fine, he's not as strong early because he doesn't get extra damage for his evolved Q. And late game you shouldn't be by yourself if you have a chance to be one shot.

Papa Andrei11/11/2016, 7:54:37 AM1 votes

Its like how Shaco passive now scales with ap, and can crit. So we build Hybrid infinity edge shaco?