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This is Why Riot Can't Take us Seriously for Balance

luckmallory·10/5/2015, 3:28:28 PM·143 votes·6,800 views

Literally directly before worlds and the few months before that all i would see about veigar on these boards is how Riot gutted him and to revert his changes. People constantly saying he isn't strong enough and can't play with mobility creep. In comes Worlds and now all i see are people saying Veigar is completely broken and needs an immediate nerf. Really guys?

The only recent change he got was one giving him AP on assists as well as kills. That's it. His kit is exactly the same as it was a month ago when all of you were begging for buffs. How do you go from begging for buffs and reverts to begging for immediate nerfs? I will tell you.

Because too many people on these boards watch worlds and consider that the epiphany of balance. It just simply is not. Those players can play every champion 100x better than most players and master champions a lot faster. They know how to pick a perfect team comp and how to have synergy with each other. 99 percent of the league community can't do this and definitely can't do it as effectively as them. Veigar being pulled out in Worlds and doing good is not due to him being blatantly overpowered but rather the fact that he was a surprise pick the other teams were not expecting and gave them an edge as the powerful antimage he is.

It isn't just veigar this occurs with. I can give two more examples of champions having this done to them just at Worlds.

Morgana is 4-0 at Worlds. I have not seen a thread about Morgana in a while. Most of the community a month ago could agree she was in a pretty balanced state. Now she does good at worlds and i see 20 threads of how she is broken and needs a nerf, her black shield is toxic, her Ult synergizes too well with zhonya's, etc. SHE HAS THE EXACT SAME KIT AND STATS THAT SHE HAD A MONTH AGO.

The worst case by far is Azir. Riot nerfs Azir constantly up until worlds and the boards have been filled with Buff Azir Threads and the like. He goes 5-2 at Worlds and now he's completely broken?

This is why Riot has a hard time taking us seriously for balance. One week a champion is in dire need of buffs and they suck and the next week they are game breakingly broken with 0 changes.

Please be consistent with your posts and maybe Riot will actually listen to us

196 Comments

Abyssphere10/5/2015, 3:37:41 PM34 votes

The buff you listed for Veigar is the less impactful of the two he recently got. There's a lot more to the Veigar conversation than just "he gets a bit more AP". I agree that he's not broken but the idea that he hasn't changed from where he was months ago is ludicrous. He's a completely different champion to pre-buff Veigar and the stats reflect that.

JustMyBassCannon10/5/2015, 5:26:04 PM23 votes

You have to remember it's not the same person making those posts in 99% of threads.

Thy Duck10/5/2015, 6:24:49 PM11 votes

There is a reason why businesses hire designers not communities

destiny fan10/5/2015, 4:53:27 PM7 votes

Without reading the post really, Veigar's desing is on its core, "toxic", it punishes other APC's for doing well (aka you build AP you get bursted faster) pre E delay was "i'm experienced with Veigar's mechanics you instantly die"

no matter how much he's nerfed, as long as he has "toxic" mechanics like that he's going to be bitched about

Rozzeta10/5/2015, 11:27:27 PM7 votes

Actually, people started seeing Veigar more powerful after the reduction of W delay. Before it was impossible to land W on a target that was not stunned, but now that the delay it's reduced, it's like he has gained another skill.

Still, though, it was ultimately the result of a team comp centered around forcing engage what made Veigar strong in that game.

Dessem10/5/2015, 10:51:20 PM5 votes

The hilarious part is people complain about his ult's AP scaling, even if your OWN AP scaling is much stronger than enemy AP scaling. Veigar won't even always hit the APC: I think it's a completely valid decision for Veigar to decide the ADC doesn't get to play.

I think the Q buff on Veigar has made him a lot stronger. Before, he had to score the kill to get that sweet 5 AP (at max Q) per kill. Now, he also gets those from assists, meaning it's easier for him to reach that power dream of +300 AP from your Q alone. From my experience playing him, I'd say Veigar might be a bit strong at the moment. However, I'm fairly confident it's also partly due to enemies at my level not quite dodging Veigar's E plenty yet, or respecting the W damage sufficiently; they need more experience playing Veigar.

The thing that confuses me is that before Veigar Worlds, I honestly got threatened with reports for picking Veigar, because it was "a troll pick" and "Veigar's trash". His kit hasn't changed much beside a buff to W's drop speed and Q's stacking. I'll agree that last one is really good, but in the end it's probably around 50 AP more for a consummate Veigar (1112 assists seems fair for a lategame hypercarry). Does 50 AP break Veigar from trollpick trash into godtier OP? I'm inclined to say no.

Penns10/5/2015, 3:48:50 PM3 votes

Veigar was seen as broken before worlds already, because he simply is. Also, I think the word youre looking for is "meta", direct changes arent everything... Remember Viktor ? The useless, unviable, outclassed champ? How did he go from that state to number 1 mid laner? Because people in Korea played him. Nothing changed, all he got were pretty useless bug fixes ever since his mini rework lol.

Gigahappytown10/5/2015, 7:23:32 PM3 votes

Lol no veigar was considered broken way before he was picked in worlds stop trying to use that to justify him filthy veigar abuser.