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Not understanding 7.24 Morg changes

Anonagon·12/6/2017, 11:02:22 AM·26 votes·3,053 views

Please, correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I don't see how the 7.24 Morgana changes are supposed to help her as a solo laner.

For reference, the changes are as follows:

Base stats MANA REGEN - 8.5 per 5 seconds ⇒ 11.5 per 5 seconds MANA REGEN GROWTH STAT - 0.8 ⇒ 0.4

Passive - Soul Siphon REMOVED - SPELL VAMP - No longer grants 10/15/20% spell vamp NEW - DEFINITELY NOT SPELL VAMP - Morgana heals for 15/20/25/30/35/40% (at levels 1/4/7/10/13/16) of the damage her abilities deal to champions, large minions, and large monsters

W - Tormented Soil NEW - FOMENTED TORMENT - Tormented Soil's cooldown is now reduced by 5% whenever Passive - Soul Siphon triggers

So here's the deal - Morg no longer heals off regular minions, but she heals more off of champions (and a lot more than just what it says if this effect isn't reduced on AoE like Spell Vamp was [though it might be, no idea]). Cool, I think that's a great change that will make her more interactive in lane. However, I don't see how that's supposed to encourage Morgana to go mid lane at all.

Wouldn't a Morgana who goes mid be more likely to use her W on waves to clear, thus getting less benefit from this change than a support Morgana who uses her W mostly on champions?

Can someone explain if I'm wrong on this?

40 Comments

Bronze 5 Teeto12/6/2017, 11:18:55 AM19 votes

Morgana scales better with this passive. Now it is more viable to filter resources into her more quickly as a solo laner. The CDR reduction change on w will allow morgana to use it to harass in lane, without losing too much clearing pressure.

I actually suggested a similar change to her passive a couple months ago and I'm glad to see this happen.

FatedSaviour12/6/2017, 11:11:41 AM5 votes

maybe they intended to increase healing, but remove 'free healing'

FakeGravity12/6/2017, 5:11:43 PM4 votes

i guess is like old soraka problem, that didnt encourage interaction, soraka use to be able to heal herself very easily just like morgana as she wave clear (making her good against some slow pushers that cant do anything if morgana have her black shield)

now though it feels great for morgana support since she didnt really wanted to use W on minions anyway, while making midlane morgana and other roles (maybe even jungle morgana? dont tell anyone) a lot more interactive

Votable Jester12/7/2017, 12:04:41 AM3 votes

Mid lane Morg maxes W first, so this benefits her more than support Morg.

Gives No Lux12/6/2017, 11:49:32 PM3 votes

It's intended to incentivize Morg to steal her jungler's camps between waves since he never comes to gank anyways...

PROJECTJehuty12/6/2017, 11:11:23 AM2 votes

I actually agree with you. Like with that new passive on her W, for the CDR, it will work amazingly with spellthief support item. Unless, they're encouraging and wanting you to bring it mid as well? I guess the gold per second would make up for the missed out farm from the CS you wouldn't be able to clear as efficiently in that way if I had a guess. Then again, I just think she's overall a better support then mid and instead of trying to transition her back to mid why not just make her a designated support through and through. Give her some changes up on her ult, (I've never been too much of a fan of it to be honest Not saying it's bad, just a preference) so that she has resistances so she survives longer, range is more, or takes a shorter amount of time for it to trigger for the stun.

Only way I see Morgana becoming a mid again, through and through, is if they rework her at this point.

RisenDarkKnight12/6/2017, 4:50:29 PM2 votes

I think the idea is the cooldown reduction on W will let her cast it a lot more, but support morgana typically doesn't build any mana items and maxes W last so won't be able to get nearly as much damage off of this buff. If Mid Morg builds RoA + Morellos, she can get a lot of W's off, and should do more DPS in fights.

Blåbæret12/7/2017, 2:09:14 AM1 votes

lol what, morgana jng? R u guys on crack?

LightIsMyPath12/7/2017, 2:27:26 AM1 votes

I don't know what their intention was.. But tomorrow I'll sure as hell pick Morgana jungle because with those changes she might be able to clear..

The Deckowner12/7/2017, 2:44:54 AM1 votes

They want her to become a jg along ide zyra.

Barkley12/7/2017, 2:53:13 AM1 votes

Let's ask the real questions here...

What's this mean for Morgana Jungle? Good things, I think....

She was decent before, but her first clear was kinda meh. She was fine once she got rollin. Maybe even good. But now with her W on a lower cooldown and more healing? Methinks we'll be seeing Morgana jungle become much more yolo queue acceptable.

Skia Asteri12/7/2017, 5:32:08 AM1 votes

Because more damage output.

ProfDrDeath12/7/2017, 7:15:46 AM1 votes

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Morgana/Middle/

58% winrate as a mid laner. Holy.

SB Arneeman12/7/2017, 11:42:26 AM1 votes

I'm pretty sure you can get 2, or even 3 dark soils out at the same time with the cooldown decrease. Sustain wasn't really a problem since she has really passive waveclear, and the mana regen helps out early. It looks like she will heal a massive amount in teamfights, you may want a decently tanky build to heal up like a Vladimir.

Edit: I tested morg in practice tool. She has W up permanently from level 1 if it's below a target that triggers the passive. The W healing isn't reduced like from spellvamp, so she can solo dragon early and baron lategame without taking damage, without smite and going standard midlane build. Her full combo(40%cdr) is now QW RW QW which triggers Comet 3 times.

However, multiple soils on top of each others does not stack the damage, sadly.

Teridax6812/7/2017, 2:48:27 PM1 votes

I think there are 2 aspects to this:

  • Both of these bonuses scale with damage and the number of people Morgana is up against. Effectively, you are right that these W changes are more likely to benefit support Morg more than mid lane one, assuming she builds offensively.
  • However, both of these changes benefit mid Morgana as well. She will be able to harass more often and heal more from it, and the early buffs to her mana regen means she won't rum OOM quite as often if she plays aggressively. This is a nerf to Morg's mana regen later in the game, but this also means that support Morg, who'll be building more mana regen, won't be getting as much of a benefit.
Jaspers12/6/2017, 11:10:42 AM1 votes

This is a change to push her more into support role, probably. Her lane sustain for mid will be hurt early but maxing W anyway and instead of casting it on the backline minions, casting it on the enemy and bit with the backline minions there as well will do the same, won't shove lane as much though.

For support it's just a buff and helps her survive better when she tries to do that 5 man ult at 40 minutes, considering she's meant to be a squishy mage, that has to get close to people to make her ult work. Plus early as she won't be using her abilities on the lane minions as much.

Also, the fact it works from large monsters, means jungle might be more viable.

I presume this is why anyway, seems reasonable. Want to try it with item 3146.

Keeping it mind it might be Riots attempt at removng 'specified' spell vamp from the game, only 2 instances remain. item 3155 passive and Lee Sin ability.

Professor Ward12/7/2017, 2:53:11 PM1 votes

Pre this patch, morgana **could not **sustain mana in solo lane with her w, just saying.

Kitten of Evil12/6/2017, 6:26:09 PM1 votes

Interestingly, I just tested in a custom, and Morg can now do a full jungle clear. Just plop a W down under a big monster and it'll be up again by the time the first one goes away.

It's a bit slow, and super risky--I ended with less than 100 HP--but it works.

DariusDemiurge12/6/2017, 9:11:54 PM1 votes

I find these changes a slight bit hypocritical when many champs can be equally less interactive in lane.

Shaydrox12/6/2017, 10:32:51 PM1 votes

Not necessarily push her more towards midlane, but I think more towards being a more interactive laner. Current Morgana is one of the most boring champs to lane against, Riot has mentioned in the past they want to have a look at her for this reason.

Jungle Lux God12/6/2017, 11:21:03 PM1 votes

I don't think this is entirely intended to buff Morgana's mid lane and more such that Riot can actually make Morgana's mid lane better in the future if they wanted.

Morgana's passive healing off minions prevented her from ever getting buffs to her mid lane because once she got enough levels and points in her W, she could press W on a wave to clear it with one ability, counter any aggression with her Q/E, and any harass she received would get healed up by her passive and W. Now harass will stick to her a lot more.

I personally like it because it's a buff to her early jungle clears and I like playing jungle Morgana.

BobaFlautist12/6/2017, 11:35:16 PM1 votes

Morg's W mid is decent harass and necessary for trading, but it's necessary to have it up to clear waves, making it hard for her to play aggressively (and making it hard for her to handle champions that pick repeated fights with her). The W CDR significantly rewards her for harassing, and allows her to use it to fight without losing her waveclear for so long.

Bot lane, her W is (usually) maxed last and is basically used just to proof spell-thief's - support Morgana also does not have the mana pool to take advantage of the reduced CD.

The Yetii Rider12/7/2017, 12:43:38 AM1 votes

Changes aren't supposed to help her solo lane. They're supposed to help her jungle.

Source: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/xMuTbNoe-patch-chat-with-the-playtest-team-723?comment=0002000100010001