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Riot has made its toxic 50/50 matchmaking into the biggest determinant of winning or losing a game.

Irelicant·4/20/2019, 3:24:27 AM·161 votes·28,155 views

Maybe there was once a time where a single player could carry through their lane alone. Those days are dead. Now, all it takes is a bad player to COST a team the game. Bad players have more of an impact than good players ever will. You give a team a yi that consistently goes 4/10 and loses games? Well if everyone else doesn't absolutely destroy their lane, they're going to lose. But riot doesn't care. It's a "team" game, and whichever team has the weakest link loses. Simple as that. Look at esports too. You don't hear about one player CARRYING the game, you hear about the one person on the losing team COSTING the game. It's a terrible system.

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GodlyBane4/20/2019, 4:47:33 AM87 votes

funny thing is it isnt 50/50 matchmaking, its forced 50/50. thers a BIG difference. I had a 70% winrate on kha zix in over 60 games (no, im not boosted, nor a smurf) and then I just started losing, and losing, and losing. Now my WR on kha is what? 64 or 62 or something? If they see you have a decent winrate they put you with 30 - 40% winrate players (no higher then 40). They also actively try to fuck over your LP by doing: "oh hey this guy is silver 2 lets put him into this gold 3 80 LPs game!" or "hey this level 34 account with 29% winrate on trundle support is great for this plat level gold player!" and if you manage to carry that horrid mess, they fucking give you 15 LP. Yea. Ok. Thats fun. Im inspired to play ranked.

MYSTlCFLOW4/20/2019, 6:45:06 AM30 votes

not really understanding your argument. if your team has worse players then yes you're going to lose..

faker loses games

would you rather this bad player be stuck in high elo? or that they demote?

assuming you're not a troll you have a 4/5 chance to get a troll/afk/bad player and the enemy has a 5/5 chance

and in terms of lane.. if one laner goes 0/5 and the enemy laner goes 5/0 how can you say that the person who died has a bigger impact than the person who killed him?

I feel like the argument is basically the same as giving credit to adc's and not supports. or giving credit to supports and not adc's you need both

the enemy has to be BETTER than your team mate. and your team mate has to be WORSE than the enemy team mate.

in a one versus one. you can say. "this guy lost because he's bad" or "this guy won because his enemy was good" or "this guy won because he's good" or "this guy won because his enemy was bad"

yeah sure the individual game might suck. you don't think Faker/apdo the best league players in the world wouldn't be upset losing a game in bronze/silver/gold/plat? sure they would. but EVERYBODY LOSES GAMES.

"now take sir Francis drake. the Spanish all despise him. but to the British he's a hero and they idolize him, it's how you look at buccaneers that makes them bad or good."

I believe you've simply been corrupted by the league of legends mentality. you see a 5/0 irelia versus a 0/5 nasus and say that the nasus lost you the game. the enemy says that the nasus lost you the game. very rarely does someone say irelia carried the game. but ultimately it's two sides of the same coin. one player had to have been better. sure in an ideal world nobody would go past 0/2 and they would camp turret, in that ideal world nobody would go past 2/0 either. this isn't the lcs. this is league of legends and nobody's perfect.

^ You don't hear about one player CARRYING the game, you hear about the one person on the losing team COSTING the game. It's a terrible system.

that's just a fallacy, so if suddenly everyone started saying the exact opposite it would be true? herd mentality

^ You give a team a yi that consistently goes 4/10 and loses games?

yes and eventually that yi ends up in the rank he deserves. and you've only suffered one maybe two games to the same individual

Illuminati Bot4/20/2019, 8:39:49 AM11 votes

This is the reason why gold players and below have such a bad rep, seeing that you are gold 2 - you think that you are the smartest beings to have ever played the game and write about nerfing this and that, and how life is unfair due to apparent feeders every game. I completely disagree to the fact that you can't solo carry anymore, you can if you try and are good enough. Also, what is riot supposed to do about it? What is this "system" you are referring to? Riot already made it so you can pick roles so that people can play what they want to play and are relatively good at, which makes the games a bit more balanced. You want to have losses prevented for each time a teammate does poorly in your games? Not gonna happen. Everyone loses sometimes, that's just how the game goes, but you can have an impact in the long run. Think about it like this: if you win your lane and generally do well, let's say 70% of the time, and every other laner is 50/50 because solo queue, then statistically you will climb either way. Get better, try playing duo with someone good and focus on winning.

Sona Cant Mid4/20/2019, 1:27:43 PM9 votes

The problem it feels has always been the same. Maybe it's worse now, but I've always felt that unless actually placed where you belong, it is almost impossible to climb to your max skill level. I.E. if you start iron and practice and become gold quality after a season or 2, good luck getting beyond silver. This is because in order to solo carry you must be far better than the players your against, especially if someone feeds. So if you're in a silver 2 game, playing like a gold 3 player, and someone feeds, you're not carrying. Even if not, a few little mistakes can completely cost you a game you were doing really well in later too, also increasing your chances at a loss. All of this combined with the other things mentioned across the comments has ensured that feeling of constant frustration when trying to climb, that feeling it's really more luck of your team than skill. What's worse, is the whole concept might just be unfixable no matter what. Think: in order for one person to carry easier that means an individual person has to have a higher impact on games, meaning a feeder will too. And making it team oriented is the way they are doing it currently, which alot of people are unhappy with as well.

sed4/20/2019, 8:39:13 AM9 votes

This is so sad because this is the reality, and Riot doesn't want to face it. They'd much rather sit back, jerk off and watch boring ass esports rather than amend their Matchmaking/behavioral system.

Sad because they wont care about this, much less do shit for the community.

Also just a funny thing you said about the 4/10 yi's, i had one in game yesterday: https://gyazo.com/30670c09b58aee82723db56d6030fdb8 (I was the Rakan and I did more dmg than Yi (No, he wasn't afk at any point haha))

OilegibtKoile4/20/2019, 9:32:35 AM9 votes

I will never get the logic of threads like this. You all act like you play vs bots because YOU can't carry. Guess what, there is a player just like you on the enemy team that actually solo carries. How did he do this can you explain? Also do you really think it is possible to keep a 70% winrate for eternity? Last Season I started with a 70% WR aswell and it started to tank because it happens when you reach your actual skill level. Having a 70% winrate in Silver is NOT the same as a 70% winrate in gold. Get over yourself the enemy can carry games just as good as you could.

Nea1044/20/2019, 10:03:05 AM8 votes

It's not only about having the worst player(s). It's about having a far worse team overall, or a far better one. Games are never balanced, and this means that the matchmaking is either flawed or rigged. They aren't doing anything about it, anyway.

Wonder why :D

Suciu4/20/2019, 4:11:24 PM5 votes

One more thing I hate is, if you're playing a utility focused champion like, let's say Zac or Sejuani, you just can't do anything alone. If you're doing good, getting ahead etc etc, but your laners are all losing, you can't do much about it. You can choose one lane to help out, but you're not Kha'Zix or Kayn or whatever, you're Zac. You don't deal the damage to carry. If they don't know how to use the CC you're providing alongside them not getting focused by the laner, you're doomed. You can't 1v9 as a full tank/utility Zac if no one on your team deals damage. It's just how the game works. If you're looking to carry, play carries.

wutsmynme4/21/2019, 1:08:47 PM4 votes

This post is right on time....I played as diana vs annie yesterday...I solo killed my enemy lanner 6 times.. Got all 5 tower plates within 15 min.. Lost game at 25 min because everyone else on my team were 0/4 1/7.. etc. if I split push all 5 enemy team members jump on me but my team does nothing on other side of map...if I team up and fight, I kill 1 or 2 of their team get about 4 of them to 40% HP and then die to see my team still loose fight... So tell me a solution how to win games like these other than better matchmaking... Now that I'm writing I remember games where I was playing top just farming it out since the other top won't leave lane and ended up losing the game despite doing nothing wrong on my own... So Tell me.. why one feeder is enough to lose game but one carry not enough to win (except vayne.. Don't get me started on her lol)

PokeBen65514/20/2019, 9:13:00 PM3 votes

Matchmaking is a biiiiiiiig Problem in my opinion. I went from Bronze 2 with Like 98 LP to Bronze 3 with 9 LP in 4 days in which I played Like a total of 11 games or Something Like that. And it wasn't even all my fault. I'm Not saying that l'm Always a 1v9 Player, but what the f am I supposed to do If there's an Urgot in midlane who's 0/9 at the end of the Game and a jungler who's 0/3 (which wasn't His fault probably but i still wanna mention it here.) Other Games I totally destroy the botlane with my adc (I'm a supp Main btw) but then midlane feeds and Makes all of that useless. And a big Thing i wanna mention is Yasuos. Somebody (a yasuo with 1000 Points or so IN RANKED NONETHELESS) once Said to ne that there's No yasuo Mains in Bronze elo. Well then Tell me why yasuos in my Team Always don't even have mastery while the enemies ALWAYS have a Yasuo Main lvl 7 almost 1 Million mastery Points. It's Just unfair in my opinion. How am i supposed to have fun with this mess of a matchmaking system? And If someone wants do disagree with everything I Just wrote, then that's ok. I can't Take your opinion away from you. This is Just me letting of some steam. Well anyway I Hope you Guys and Girls have it netter than me. Bye.

Dukues4/22/2019, 3:18:20 PM2 votes

I haven't even had a fucking 50% win rate in two seasons lmfao. Ever since new runes winning seems so fucking hard. I more than half the time get the short straw and get the worst player in the game on my team. Feels so fucking bad man.

"blah blah balh get better noob blah balh". Lmfao. People so dumb its embarrassing. I just think nowadays people don't remember when the game actually like was about caring and showing your true skill. They don't remember how good it felt to play a game that you could go into fights 2v1 or 3v1 and come out ahead if you had a lead and played it right instead of being instant deleted by anything that touches you. A game where you could leave your shit head teammates to fight some dumbass fight at 20 mins while you split and took farm and objectives and not worry about enemy team 3 manning baron at fresh spawn 20 mins. I could go on and on but reality is this game is fucking shit compared to what it used to be. Yes... it's prettier.... there's a fuck ton more champs.... but at its core League is still just League. Problem is... the core gameplay is shittier than it used to be making the overall experience shittier regardless of all the bullshit you add on top of it. Riot sold out for pro 5v5 and its very fucking obvious if you have played for a few seasons to how much the game has changed.

So yea... pro scene more fun to watch now I will admit that. But was it worth killing your core game and ruining the solo/duo queue / playing alone experience??? I would argue not.

KITP Bluu4/20/2019, 4:16:13 PM2 votes

An honest reply to everyone who just seems to hate on the game now.

I'm a silver player (s8 gold) and I started to realize something.... I don't play league of legends actively anymore its just a game for when I'm really bored.

But I still watch a lot about league and honestly you guys should focus on yourself in those games. Just accept that you are losing and stop saying it's riots or this 3/10/2 master yi's fault. Watch the game say what you did really good note where your team screwed up and then think for a moment, "what could I have done to still win?" if you re-watch some of your loses with this question in mind then you are going to be a better player.

Don't think you will win every game. Sometimes you'll even get boosted monkeys that you can't carry sometimes you'll get people that cost you the game but hey instead of crying like a little bit** you could start to use your brain asking yourself how can I carry idiots for one game? And on what lane with what champion do I have the best capabilities to win? It doesn't always come from experience heck even high elo players can't carry every silver game. The key to success in league is adaptation. Adapt to the losing match ups.

andr0id4/21/2019, 1:08:09 AM2 votes

Can't count how many times I've been put into a game where the average rank on my team is a whole tier lower than the other team. Silver 4 average rank vs gold 4 average rank type teams.

XJ999999999999994/21/2019, 4:54:14 PM2 votes

in my experience, the toxic players ruin the game more than the people who aren't good.

OneMustFall4/20/2019, 10:51:46 PM1 votes

Ignorance truly is bliss.

People hate being accountable for their own mistakes and would rather blame it on their teammates than look at what they're doing to lose games.

There are so many examples of streamers carrying themselves from Bronze-Diamond on multiple accounts every single season yet somehow all these low elo people think they're stuck there because of rigged matchmaking. Silly.

Ellectro Kingg4/20/2019, 11:40:58 PM1 votes

Most of you crying about this subjects are hardstuck gold. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY THE GAME and guess what. That's not riot's problem. Most of you play one champion over and over again, doesn't matter the meta or if this champion got nerfed because you don't even know what's the meta. So the higher you go the most knowledge people have on how to deal with the champion you play, meaning that is your elo cap. You are a forever gold player and if you get lucky enough you will touch plat 4 which is gold 1 with different badge. So deal with it or try to improve.