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PSA for supports. (even for you people who bring mages botlane and call yourself a support)

AttackOfTheBeard·6/12/2016, 7:59:25 AM·80 votes·7,075 views

You are in fact obligated to build a Sightstone and the excuse of "you have wards, use them" is not acceptable for you not spending 800 gold to get a Sightstone to help provide vision for the team. I know you WANT TO DO THE DAMAGES but when you select Support as one of your roles or happen to get it as Fill then deal with it and play the role the way it's meant to be played. If you want to go full AP then take your ass midlane, toplane, or jungle if you can do it. The fact that you are so stubborn as you can't sacrifice a measly 25 AP to build the other AP support item that you combine Frostfang+Sightstone is absolutely inexcusable. You still get the extra damage on spells/autos and you still get 10% CD. I also don't care if your duo buddy who is ADC doesn't care if you don't get sightstone because you can bet your ass that the other 3 players DO CARE about having a lack of vision because you really needed that Deathcap! I'm talking to you

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Quort6/12/2016, 2:05:16 PM41 votes

As a dedicated Support main I have something to say on the topic: I am not "obligated" to do anything, let alone whatever you expect me to do. I am there to Support and I will do it however I see fit.

That said, let it be known that I enjoy Sightstone; I find it extremely helpful and affordable and build in in just about every single game. I Support because I like working with others and usually find it to be a pleasurable experience. However, an attitude like yours is the fastest way to ensure that I won't be wasting my money or wards on you.

iamthegoatofwar6/12/2016, 9:05:49 AM19 votes

Hahaha true that i remember one time I thought I was going mid but then the person above me called mid after all picks were done and blah blah blah. I had twisted fate and was told to support. I still remember what jinx said "I don't care if you build AD, AP, or something else just buy a sightstone."

FastAsHeck6/12/2016, 11:32:49 AM18 votes

You know everyone gets 2 free wards, and pinks only cost 75 gold. Rushing sightstone on a support in low elo is not mandatory anymore, because enemies don't ward so you don't need a sweeper and you can keep your warding trinket. Of course it is usually better to get a sightstone but don't be so close minded.

S H A Y C 06/12/2016, 1:09:27 PM16 votes

Yeah...i take issue when you say things like "obligated" and "supposed to played"

Who has the authority to make these decisions? Certainly not you. Mages are supposed to be mid lane I heard...but sometimes faker plays riven and irelia ...feel free to call him out for "not fulfilling his obligations" and "not playing the game how it's supposed to be played"

You're a tool and a tyrant if you really think people have to bow down to what you "think"

CoolKnightST6/12/2016, 10:04:45 AM12 votes

The question more often is not "why" to build a item 2049 & more "when" to buy a sightstone. People watch way to much competive as far the build of support goes. People start to yell about no vision after your first back. They expect you buy that sightstone after item 3303 . While that item 3098 could actuallly have won you that last all-in. And don't get me even started about item 1001 . These mages are verry immobile and having no boots before 10 minutes can give some serious problems in the pick department, both in offensive as in defensive situations. It's not just 800 gold these supports have to spend. It's more like 2200 + 900 (or 1100) + 75x3. Just to get them started. That's almost 3500 gold. Nice start don't you think.

People that want to go for the item 3136 build will have problem with this style since it's now 400 gold more expensive than it was before. If you wait to long to buy it the scaling mr stats & possible mr items would already reduced the damage to much you are way better off with just a item 3001 or you are are forced to buy it to keep up with your damage build why still maintain the tools of a support. Meanwhile your team doesn't place a single ward and that's the real issue.

FearEngineer6/12/2016, 1:13:38 PM12 votes

The same people that say this are the same people who have the 2 free wards on their trinket unused for 5+ minute stretches.

The support isn't obligated to do anything other than to help the team win. It is the most flexible role and there are many ways to do that.

Especially during laning phase- if you can keep and defend a pink, warding against ganks is generally a non-issue.

You might as well have titled this "How you can help make queue times even longer by turning people off of support!"

An actually useful PSA about wards in relation to supports would be "Please stop last hitting the wards we are clearing- we get barely enough gold as it is!"

KoKoboto6/12/2016, 2:36:07 PM7 votes

As any role you're not obligated to build any item.

Gibberwatt6/12/2016, 1:23:54 PM6 votes

OK. I am going to say some things, and you might not like them, but this is what I think. (I am a support main)

Sightstones are nice, true. However, they are not completely core to a support's build. Why? Because a Supports primary jobs are to A. Keep their team alive, and B. Make the other team as dead as possible, generally through setting them up to be slaughtered. Now, vision is helpful for job A, but it is not imperative, if, say, the enemy jg is behind, enemy mid is not roaming, or your bot lane just play's under the turret. Also, if you feed your adc until you are both gods, vision isn't really important either, since you can handle just about anything.

And about job B (making sure people are dead). It is true that the Support's job is to set it up for the enemy to die, but not actually kill them. Generally, this is through some cc, like a blitz hook, or a thresh box, or something that locks down the enemy. Of course there is the saying, death is the best cc. I'm not saying to kill the enemy, and deprive your adc from extra gold. What I'm saying is to nuke the enemy down to 200-500 health. your adc then can take a few shots at them, and boom, you have yourself an assist. Also, I think you get more gold for an assist if you do a higher percentage of the enemy's health, so that just means that the enemy is worth more. Which is nice.

Mandang06/13/2016, 1:16:51 AM6 votes

Downvoted for using the word "obligated".

100% agree supports should be buying sightstone, but saying "obligated" just makes you sound like an elitist prick.

You don't see the rest of us saying ADC is "obligated" to spend 1300 gold on last whisper just because we dislike their terrible builds.

General Esdeath 6/12/2016, 3:01:08 PM5 votes

I posted this once and I got a flood of downvotes and white knights claiming that it's "forcing a meta".

A 0/10 Lux with sightstone is more valuable than one with a mejai

Supreme Senpai696/12/2016, 9:39:20 AM5 votes

That being said, sightstones cost 800G and if we aren't getting ganked I'm not rushing it. Honestly, most games I'm not rushing it. I upgrade my support item once, buy boots, then buy a sighstone. Until then, which is around level 6, you need to ward too. We can rotate our trinkets and have constant vision and be fine. Don't ward if I have a ward up already. Don't ward the lane bush if we already have vision on the enemy adc and support. If their jungler is top lane don't ward the river bush, obviously we aren't going to be ganked.

By warding smart, we can have constant vision. Once I get my sighstone, I'll ward -all the bushes- and we can start making plays or I can start leaving you to roam. But don't expect me to have a sightstone with my first 800G of the game :l otherwise I agree, supports need a sighstone

TSM COINS6/12/2016, 1:22:22 PM5 votes

You are probably one of the people who gets camped bc they dont buy wards, and then blame the supp...

Ipressbutton6/12/2016, 3:13:38 PM5 votes

item 2301 As someone who regularly brings mages botlane, there is just no excuse now

ElysMustache6/12/2016, 12:33:06 PM4 votes

http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/N7IM8kv4e1ymDbFX5w3n7mThqpS7Uy0lWdHegbpJY8vuqJRZ-Oshzd0EXWOE_Ey1Ye1jUH9dN6ww=w1200

Okay.

Athenes Lulu6/12/2016, 7:52:50 PM4 votes

Gotta love how people couldn't get the message that OP is talking about the super bad supports who contribute absolutely nothing to vision, which is a very common cause of losing lmfao.

No one says you have to rush it at any given time or even build it, but if you're not doing your job by doing more-than-usual vision (aka utility work aka supports' primary job), then thats on you. It's like ADCs not building damage items, they don't have to build a certain item to do their job. The problem is they don't do their job because they're not building damage items. Not getting sightstone is like that.

DU Baymax6/12/2016, 5:12:03 PM3 votes

are you implying that my talon support of kill securing where I rush a black cleaver and ghostblade is not useful? Talon

Çhåryzård6/12/2016, 7:47:28 PM3 votes

I main support, I buy item 2049 every game and I ward every game, I just see it as part of my job.

But like....

can we stop telling support players what to do? I've been seeing this more often.

"PSA you guys need to build this"
You need to do this is lane
Support players should play this champ more, they are just a better champ
Why do support players do this and that
Support players should be doing this in lane

Like...stop telling me how to play my role if you've never touched it. I ward, I help my adc, I try to keep everyone alive

I will not

Build what you tell me to build if you ask me in a snippy way. My role, my champ, I will build what I think is the best but I'd be happy to build something if you suggest it nicely.
Save you all the time. If you decide to 1v3 the enemy bot lane and jg when we are lower on health or mana and then are about to die, I will not run in to save you if I think I will die myself. I'd rather not give them 2 kills. If you decide to play like an idiot, I will not save you every time if I don't think you'll live anyways and I'll die too.
Land everything. I play Nami. My bubbles are hard to land. While I land most, sometimes I do just have a bad game where I'm missing stuff or the enemy is just really mobile. They are easy to dodge on the right champ, they are hard to aim, don't complain to me and harass me for missing stuff when all you need to do is point and click and you're autoing.

I will happily build something or ward somewhere or do something in lane if my adc asks nicely but lately it feels like people have been talking down to me telling me what I should be doing.

GigglesO6/12/2016, 11:32:31 PM3 votes

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You are in fact obligated to build a Sightstone

False, in fact, there is nowhere in the summoners code, ToS, ToU, Eula, or anything that you agree to that says any 1 item needs to built on any one champ.

(technically victor being an exception because he can't sell his hex core.)

Mad King Hades6/12/2016, 3:09:28 PM2 votes

Who is the other 3 players? I really don't care about a bit of vision. It isn't enough, a support is 8/10 in bot lane and will ward around that. What help will there be when I need vision in top or mid? Sure they(me) will try to ward, but you can place only one every 2 min. Is your solution to this to make support go fully along the map? Or let mid/jungler/top also buy sightstones?

AbyssionKnight6/13/2016, 12:29:42 AM2 votes

Honestly I want more items in the game like Tracker's Knife.

Give Top Laners an item that is useful for them, but gives 1 or 2 rechargable wards. Give that to the midlaner too, and the adc. I'm sure those items wouldn't be used a lot (at least in DQ), but the fact they'd exist as options would really help open up support itemization.

The fact that Riot decided that Supports have to buy wards for the team, is just an unnecessary limitation. I tend to agree that a support should build sightstone, but only because vision is important and Riot has designed the game so that Supports are expected to be the source of that vision.

SirSolarion6/13/2016, 3:40:46 PM2 votes

Good now address why we should listen when the first roles usually blamed for the incompetence of the team are Support and Jungle, even when it may not be their faults, why do we have to listen other roles when despite how hard we work our ass of for our team we are either ignored, any input we have is ignored, and then your team is capable of feeding and blaming you at any point in game, especially ADC., yeah no thank you, I think support mains all over are tired of being pushed around anyways.

GigglesO6/12/2016, 11:34:48 PM1 votes

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deal with it and play the role the way it's meant to be played.

And how infact is it supposed to be played. Have you been here since season 1? For awhile there it was sion and taric botlane. Not to mention Ashe mid. I bet it really pisses you off that I have a 59% win rate with morde as primarily adc.