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Why don't people just make "How to beat X champ" threads instead of rage?

TheDevice·8/1/2018, 8:31:12 PM·6 votes·2,318 views

The answer is because its easier.

There was a time where Illaoi frustrated the hell out of me and I legit considered her broken as all hell. People were not going to just stop picking her so I decided to look at her kit and find videos on how to lane against her. Since then, she's become one of my easiest match-ups no matter what champion I play top.

Why can't people just look at the kits and understand their weaknesses?

Mid lane mage mains are THE MOST complacent people on forums, hands down. They don't even want to learn to beat champions like zed or zoe or leblanc or any champ that isn't an immobile mage. Thats all they want mid. They want their simple combo to work every time and kill whoever they combo onto every single time.

Sure, maybe some of Zoe's abilities are overtuned, IDK, I'm not the guy who fixes that but why not just figure out her kit first before bashing it? Zoe literally doesn't have an ult. She has an R, but her R isn't an ult. Its just another skill. Not a super fight-breaking skill either. Zoe is really good at 1v1's and doesn't have mobility outside that R (not real mobility btw), which is all it does. This is why more of her power is spread throughout her skills. thats why they do more shit.

The one champion I ban most the time even though I don't believe is busted is Darius. This is because Darius as a champ and people who play darius tend to exploit my weakness as a player. I have a difficult time fighting lane bullies or champions with early damage spikes around lv2/3 etc. This is because I'm more used to being the lane bully but am not keen on playing champs like darius or renekton (not much anymore) or riven, so they are my most problematic match-ups. That doesn't mean I need to tell riot to "fix" them because I suck at fighting them.

Maybe people should consider the possibility that it might not even be the champ or the state of balance but their own shortcomings as a player. People whine so much about mobile champions when these same champions are being used at the highest level of play and are never really complained about nearly as much, if at all.

Back to my original point: Why aren't there more people asking, legitimately, how to beat X champion? Where's the think tank? Where's the research? Why do people just automatically think that X champion must be broken if they have a hard time fighting them?

Look at the threads. How many of them are "This is how you beat X champ" threads? Then look at how many threads are "X champ is busted". Hell, I even made a comment about Yi not too long ago. (my main argument about that is that armor doesn't do much anymore)

I'm also not saying there isn't any real legitimacy to some champion complaints but if you upvoted Dlifts video and greed with what he said, you'd agree that knee-jerk nerfs/changes are not really the best solution. He actually gave reference to SC2 and how it took a really long time before that protoss strat was discovered.

TL;DR Why not formulate counter champ threads instead of rage threads?

22 Comments

Automated Riven8/1/2018, 10:34:29 PM6 votes

Because asking how to beat them is the same as admitting that you don't know everything and probably aren't as good as you think you are.

I should point out before I trigger some people, that this doesn't cover everyone. Some people legit hate champions and feel like they are unhealthy for the game. (Zoe and yasuo noteably) because often times it feels like playing to your champions strengths isn't enough to beat them. They also have to mess up. Whether thats true or not is up for debate. However it's a valid concern in some cases. IMHO.

SuperLuigiLXIV8/1/2018, 8:39:41 PM3 votes

No, the real answer is because they don't WANT to beat her.

People who want to learn how to beat a champion look that champion up. They visit that champion's reddit, they watch videos, they check what other people are doing.

People don't bitch about Zoe because they can't beat her.

They bitch about Zoe because, win or lose, she's not fun to play against.

She's obnoxious, has ridiculous damage, CC that is actually far too forgiving for a miss for how much power it has, and spammable summoner spells and item actives. Even at random, those are powerful. Even if you beat her, it's not fun to play against her.

That's how you know a champion is poorly designed. Being fun to play is baseline, every champion has a fanbase. It's when a champion is fun to play against that you know they're well-designed.

And Zoe fails at that.

They don't want her nerfed so they can beat her. They want her nerfed because if she's nerfed, she won't get picked, and if she doesn't get picked, she won't be in games being a boring-ass champion to play against.

TitanAnteus8/1/2018, 9:14:20 PM2 votes

I cannot agree enough. I remember Syndra being completely bashed on this board for the longest time, and no one talked about HOW to deal with her. Just that she was borked.

Netorare8/2/2018, 8:23:41 AM2 votes

Because people gave up on learning how counter certain champions and now they cry all the time for nerfs. How to counter every mage and trashsuo on mid, just take Fiddle and izi lane. How to counter Zoe? Just get merc threads or cleanse and stop crying like a brainded monkey.

Kai Guy8/1/2018, 9:37:58 PM1 votes

My advice to learn how to beat a champion, PLAY THEM A BIT. You get first hand knowlage of their power spikes, what situatuions your strong, and get to see what other players do to absolutely destroy you in lane and game. Game knowledge is power, first hand experience tends to be more valuable then watching some one not even in your elo playing a gamestate that's not reflective of your experience, or reading some guide that wont account for ingame variables.

Wolfalisk3188/2/2018, 1:10:52 AM1 votes

{quoted} Back to my original point: Why aren't there more people asking, Legitimately, how to beat X champion? Where's the think tank? Where's the research? Why do people just automatically think that X champion must be broken if they have a hard time fighting them?

It would be more constructive to be sure, but consider this. The Champions we (as in the community) are complaining about are often Champions that just completely dumpster 80+% of the Champion roster with no recourse. They don't have to learn how any of their opponents' Champions work. They just play their Assassin and trash everyone game after game.

So they get to do this with reckless abandon, but we have to basically learn the intricacies of their Assassin Champions, work around very nebulous windows of vulnerability (during which if we make any kind of mistake, they can still delete us instantly), learn exactly what they do and when, memorize cooldowns, item powerspikes, etc. just to stand a fighting chance against them?

Why isn't there some onus on Assassin players to learn how to fight the rest of the cast effectively? They just do right out of the gate. They need only to understand their own Champion.

Surely you can see a disconnect here in what is asked of players.

The Ecdysiast8/2/2018, 1:16:10 AM1 votes

Belongs on boards discussion, not gameplay.

ChargeItDownMid8/1/2018, 9:37:35 PM1 votes

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HalcyonDweller8/1/2018, 8:50:00 PM1 votes

You talk about all people as if they are the same. Some people this is certainly true for, but others are genuinely frustrated with the characters for being un-fun to deal with. You can't just lump both groups together and call their opinions invalid. They aren't even the same.

Warlord Rhinark8/1/2018, 9:30:30 PM1 votes

Not all champions have weaknesses though.

I've yet to find something that truly counter Camille and Riven

Christopher RPh8/1/2018, 8:34:04 PM1 votes

Because you can Google that...