All the guides of getting out of bronze is WRONG! They don't understand the real problem

A Waterbottle·9/4/2017, 5:53:48 PM·1 votes·434 views

the real reason of people stuck in bronze (I'm stuck as well, but I know what's the real problem) is not about warding, split pushing, objectives. A lot of us know we have to do it, but the real question is how and when. Like when's a good time to split push, recall., teleport. And I think our personal skill is actually more important than macro in bronze. There are a bunch of good players in bronze, which aren't too high skilled but know how to contribute to the team and still looses all the time.

THE REAL QUESTION IS WHERE CAN I FIND THE INFOs TO LEARN THOSE KNOWLEDGE. I try YouTube, streamer, it doesn't work, they are too advanced, they don't explain the basics anymore. I need something more fundamental. Do I have to play with a friend with high elo so I can learn more?

7 Comments

HaIlMonitor9/4/2017, 5:56:26 PM1 votes

Streams help a lot. Just try not to watch the ones that are viewership like NB3, and watch players that do the same roles as you. For example, I would say Dyrus is good if you are a top main.

EmperorPengu9/4/2017, 5:59:41 PM1 votes

I could create a video series (I'm lazy and want to keep climbing) as I was stuck for a year as well but I made it out by learning what I could exploit in every game. I'm in silver now & having to learn what mistakes silvers make & how I can exploit that.

MysterQ9/4/2017, 6:03:21 PM1 votes

You contradict yourself.

The problem is knowing WHEN to fight/split/etc
The problem is micro not macro.

STEG09/4/2017, 6:14:46 PM1 votes

I don't ward, the only time I've ever bought a control ward is when I'm trying to get an S rating on a character for mastery, I don't split push and don't play around objectives. I rarely can beat anyone in a 1v1 even if my character should win (everyone anywhere near my rank can vastly outplay me). Regardless of this my account is always between Silver III and Silver V (since the change that made golds place in silver when they added a rank). I personally don't care what my rank is and just play for fun. It doesn't really matter what I do, sometimes I play Kat Support, sometimes I just farm in jungle on a non-jungler and don't help my team, and aggressively try to M7 during ranked games with excessive CS farming on roles that have no business taking it. Regardless of my performance my rank is always Silver III to Silver V.

My account has swapped between 80-90% win rate to 80-90% lose rate each part of that cycle playing out over a 20-30 game course. I'm not the only player that experiences this. It doesn't matter how hard I try or how little, I'm going to win 80% of my games for about 20-30 games then I'm going to lose 80% of my games for about 20-30 games.

When it matches me with Bronze MMR on the deep end of the losing streak cycle they are incredibly challenging to win against until I begin my winning streak cycle in which I can almost 1v9 them.

80-90% win/lose cycle alternating every 20-30 games isn't natural.
Bronze stomping me in skill vs being easy to win against depending on where I am at in the win/loss cycle also isn't natural.
I've played hundreds of games so the pattern rules out luck I'd say fairly well.

What I've learned from this experience is that LoL can assemble a team of bronzes that are vastly harder and more skilled then any silver team quite reliably and it can also make bronze and silver teams which are vastly less skilled then those bronze teams. Also I'd say the long standing alternating win/loss streak patterns is enough to say that your skill and chance isn't the only thing at play here and that LoL has a lot of behind the scenes systems manipulating match making.

HenzoAF9/4/2017, 7:01:01 PM1 votes

I used to be Bronze 5. I've stoped playing Rankeds for some time and played only Normals. Normals are much harder than ranked because for a Bronze 5 in a ranked you will only face others Bronze 5. In Normals you will face Silvers and maybe some Golds, if you manage to Win your lane against them thats a great start. When you go back to rankeds you will feel it's too easy.

After this experience I've improved my positioning, I'm not talking about where is the best place you should be in a Team Fight, I'm talking about knowing when you should go fight or not, knowing when I'm stronger and when I'm weaker. If you manage to learn that too I think you will get great results.

Sträw Hat12/1/2017, 6:18:23 PM1 votes

HenzoAF, you are spot on what a lot of bronze lack. The reason you got placed vs higher elo is because you got better. In my opinion, if you honestly want to get out of bronze, learn when to take turrets, learn to cs and so forth? Go play normals. Start actively looking for mistakes YOU made, not your team. I used to be bronze 5. I sucked, like majorly sucked. I played normals and got comfortable at shaco, then moved on to different champs/roles. I learned a lot. Met a few nice people, started to get better without realizing it. Next thing you know, I go back to rank. I went from a 30% winrate to a 60-75% on almost every champ in bronze. It came so easily and I started realizing just how many mistakes I had made and even to this day, I question what could I have done better after each death.