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Why do Stealthed Assassins also have the fastest, most unavoidable burst windows?

Bronze GOAT·1/31/2019, 2:18:13 PM·18 votes·8,528 views

Like just look at and . They have stealth and also have the ability to pop out of it and kill a squishy in under a second. Sometimes in as low as .20-.30 seconds without a single skill shot that could reliably be dodge anyway. Now what is the sense in them killing that fast, when the fastest a fed are ever going to kill is 1+ seconds. Out of all the stealth assassins only is fair, the rest need reworks, period.

It is so toxic getting instakilled by something you can't even see and can't even dodge, when visible champions are taking well over a second to kill you and have dodgeable abilities. In the case of a lot of these slower none-stealth killing assassins, they fall off pretty damn hard in team fights because of how fair their combos are, on the other hand, has no problem getting a kill in one.

Stealth Assassins should have the longest, counter-play filled burst windows, while these fairer assassins need a better way (packed with counter play) to get a kill in an organized "protect the carry" teamfight. That is what the assassin rework should've been, tbh.

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ContDeCaterinca11/31/2019, 2:43:00 PM6 votes

Here is the thing:

Rengar is not a classic assassin, he is a diver-assassin, so once he goes in there is usually little he can do to escape. It's just like Warwick , but instead of super-heals and % damage reduction, he has burst and is squishy. Facing Rengar encourages vision control and actually peeling for the carries.

Shaco is very cheesy and gimmickly. Once popping out of invis, he again has little escapes unless he placed some boxes perfectly beforehand and can now get away.

Khazix totally agreed, bull*hit champion, going invisible 3 times and also escaping easily if he evolves E. He can choose 3 out of 4: damage, CC, mobility, invis and in most cases it's an easy choice.

Evelynn has a guaranteed way to charm people, that's a hard form of CC and it makes ganking too strong if the person you gank for has a minimal follow-up. The damage is balanced, but the gank potential is not.

Netorare1/31/2019, 11:44:08 PM6 votes

Because assassins are just badly designed in league.

VG Crows2/1/2019, 12:10:44 AM3 votes

All assassins in league are cancerous monsters. ALL of them. If you are calling Evelynn a fair champion_ I do bet_ you've never met a decent one - there's just as much "counterplay" as to 0.2 sec oneshot from a Rengo. Stealth is just another way to f*ck with you on a constant matter, just as untargetability, invinsibility, invulnerability etc. do already. Yeah, it's mega toxic, but unfortunately Riot refuses to acknowledge this issue at all.

GrReaper962/1/2019, 7:23:06 AM2 votes

Not to mention Evelynn charm also tells you her direction even if shes stealthed. Lots of counterplay there.

Might want to add Pyke there with eve since his burst is also very tailored and avoidable and add Twitch to the unavoidable burst group

5050BS1/31/2019, 10:13:36 PM2 votes

Yep Trash Designs

Blaxonec2/1/2019, 12:34:17 PM2 votes

Rengar is the most broken of the champs you mentioned. The empowered heal + cleanse + the dive kill in 0.2 sec makes him a disaster. But lets not say OP broken. On the other side if he dont insta kill the carry or he is behind in the game there is no point of him. I really liked the state of league before assassins were introduced. Now even every streamer uploads "YOU CANT BELIEVE THIS 1 SHOT KILL .... bla bla bla" and its in every game now. I think that the moba genre is about balanced fights, like only fighters , mages, adc's , supports and tanks engage in a long battle that continue for more than 30-40 seconds like it used to be. Now sometimes it feels that its all about assassins who make the first move and that decide the outcome of the battle. Will the assassin 100 to 0 someone (win the battle) or not (lose the battle).

On My Kill List2/1/2019, 6:29:06 PM2 votes

mages actually have faster burst windows.(due to them not being nerfed awhile back when riot touched assassins burst windows) (not all mages but some do) then there's diana. the problem is you never see that burst usually since alot of them build semitanky and few go FULL damage. the only champ i can think of is maybe rengar that your right on.(but thats his gimmick) and shaco's burst can be countered by just 1 or 2 armor item. also find it unironic your calling fizz fair when out of all of them he was legit the highest burst champ in this games history before riot nerfed him several patches and then some. ( and reworked him constantly and he still manages to have toxic burst )

Hammermancer2/1/2019, 12:25:31 PM1 votes

Sion item 3142 item 3074 item 3147 item 3078 item 3033 stealths in his fountain then rides the wintrain down midtown

HàrrowR2/2/2019, 12:19:11 AM1 votes

Honestly Zed to me is much much worse than Rengar , at least rengar is kinda useless without his ult, Zed can still one shot you even without it, Zed is also much harder to punish when he makes a mistake cause he can just W out of it, worst case scenario he has to pop his ult to avoid some damage first.

Also a flash can really mess Rengar up, while again Zed will just dash towards you or hit you with his shurikens while his R deals 1400 dmg anyway, i tested it out in practice mode, his full combo without ignite deals around 6k dmg to a 100 armor dummy, you need 1/3 of that for a carry, no wonder almost every Zed that killed me lately didn't even have to land his Q, just RE+Auto+Duskblade, he deals astronomical damage compared to any other assassin