http://champion.gg/champion/Lucian/ADC
40% pickrate this is simply ABSURD, he needs to be toned down, this situation is seriously unbearable not even Thresh and Lee Sin ever reached such a bullshit permapick status.
I don't even get how people are sick of seeing Lee Sin Zed Thresh every game yet they are not bitching about Lucian wich is almost mathematically in every game.
Even before the new masteries, if you checked -- Lucian had been a top pick for a long time. Including when he sucked.
As it's clear though, Thunderlords on Lucian is strong early for Lucians who know how to poke. If Thunderlords only gave 1 stack from his passive, Lucian wouldn't be as oppressive (even though I personally have not ever felt oppressed by Lucian past his release and Fervor giving him more teamfight over oppression in lane). But I don't see any need to nerf Lucian considering he's not unhealthy -- it's more telegraphed with his position and your minions than Miss Fortune's Q (which is more powerful) poke in lane as well as insta Thunderlords E and cc from range. Lucian has mobility, but only the experienced players can really utilize his W very well. If there is a nerf to high end players that doesn't hurt those who don't main Lucian but still like him, it might be nice. But as is, just not problematic. He doesn't have any bullshit in his kit other than his high burst if ahead, but he has the tiny range to compensate for using a full burst on a target. He has clear strengths and weaknesses of which are exploitable.
But you also brought the point of diversity. I re-iterate Lucian has almost always been a top pick in Solo Queue even when bad. Notice he's not too popular in Competitive anyway. It would be very awkward to nerf him into uselessness to bring other ADC's in when it's shown his power has a minor effect on his pick. On that note, I don't know what would bring more diversity in ADC's other than nerfing every ADC slightly to have more niche, or to buff existing niches. (Also considering Morde was hated, overpowered, underpowered, and then scrapped, what really is diversity?)
He's flashy enough not to warantee nerfs for the sake of variety (see: Lee and Thresh constantly at ~33%),
Joke aside, Lucian is not that big problem by himself. It's just how Thunderlords buffs his already strong early game - and early game is much more important now than in S5. Once League of Thunderlords stops being a thing, I guarantee you'll start seeing less Lucian in your games.
Id keep it that way lucian does surprisingly well against vayne and just suppresses her so I'm enjoying this
Just because he is popular doesnt mean he needs to be nerfed.
Lucians popularity at the moment is tied almost exclusively to the power Thunderlords Decree offers in early game lane dominance. Lucian can proc it far easier than any other ADC except maybe Ezreal and considering Lucian is an early game lane bully its just making him even more oppressive.
Having said that though he isn't OP or anything. He doesn't have such a over bearing lane phase that all other ADCs are forced to sit under tower. I personally beat a Lucian/Bard lane as Jinx/Lulu after getting caught by a part stun at level 1 and being forced to flash/heal, so its not like he's a guaranteed win.
The worst possible thing Rito could do is nerf Lucian because of Thunderlords. They've done it in the passed with items and champions (see: Sejuani) and I sincerely hope they learned their lesson.
In terms of this thread I will contribute, as somebody who has maimed Lucian since his release.
The reason why Lucian has such a high pick rate and a decent win rate is because how easy it is to proc Thunderlords. His AA weaving and Passive allow him to proc Thunderlords in a very short space of time, while staying relatively safe. He's a burst ADC, Thunderlords just exasterbates the problem. If you're gonna nerf Lucian, Thunderlords is the way to go. It's still too strong of a Keystone in my opinion.
Honestly though, I'd rather see a Lucian in my games in the off chance that I don't play ADC, than Vayne or Jinx. At least with Lucian, you can outplay him, Vayne just runs you down and autos you to death with %max hp true damage, it is bullshit and it feels like bullshit to play against her. Jinx can farm safely, hit level 6 and start out scaling/critting teams for 800-1200 dmg per auto, in aoe. Fuck those champions and fuck the old season 5 meta of jinx/vayne being played a combined total of 70% pick rate.
The main problem with Lucian is that he has the power to set modify the rhythm in bot lane as he pleases, he can trade whenever he wants and he can farm at safety whenever he wants, paired with a healing support Lucian is a nightmare to deal with.
-His Q should scale with AP instead of AD, the incidental damage on this skill is insane
-His dash shouldn't proc his passive since he can get in range and win the trade without much harm, he'll always deal more damage because of his passive and weaving his autos.
-In my opinion he should not scale with Attack speed since he has enough speed already on his passive and on his ult Or you could make it so his passive scales with Attack speed so on early levels the two shots are not instant but slowly spaced out.
The issue with Lucian is that he brings burst, DPS, and mobility, all the things you want in an ADC and the only thing he sacrifices for it is having slightly less auto range than other ADC's (Which is usually a moot point thanks to his dash). He needs an exploitable weakness of some kind.
http://champion.gg/champion/Lucian/ADC
40% pickrate this is simply ABSURD, he needs to be toned down, this situation is seriously unbearable not even Thresh and Lee Sin ever reached such a bullshit permapick status.
I don't even get how people are sick of seeing Lee Sin Zed Thresh every game yet they are not bitching about Lucian wich is almost mathematically in every game.
Not sure why this would bother you. No one makes you play Lucien. Sure his pick rate is really high, but his win rate is just right at 49ish percent. Meaning he isnt op. People like him because of how easy he is to play. an ADC who can win lane, but also has his E as an escape dash. That's it. Nothing wrong with him at all.
Lucian is very healthy for a champion who is so popular - he is squishy, short range, and lacks any CC whatsoever in exchange for being mobile and having great burst and decent DPS at 500 range. He does have the option to ult if he's getting zoned out too hard, but it's a high-counterplay ability on an ult-level cooldown. He also has a pretty smooth skill curve meaning it feels good to master him as well.
Many other champions who are that popular are there because they have the tools to deal any situation, and playing them is just a matter of knowing which ones to use and in what order. Lee, for example, has a very reliable gank combo at 6 with WardW->E->E->Q->R->Q that does tons of damage, locks down the opponent, and puts Lee in prime follow-up position. While it certainly takes skill to pull it off or to know how to change it up depending on the situation, it's not particularly interactive for the opponent.
That's probably why you don't see as much complaining about Lucian.
Weird I didn't notice Lucian in every game, but now that I think about it he is quite popular. Personally i love having a Lucian and i enjoy playing against a Lucian, I don't find him OP at all and I see a lot of counter-play to him. The only time i find him annoying is when I am Morgana and he keeps dodging my Q, but thats more on my inability to predict his movements rather than him being too strong.
Honestly i would like to see 
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nerfs before i see 
nerfs, i think he's in a good spot right now. He's not Stupidly overpowered like the two champs i stated, especially graves he has the highest win rate as ADC, Top, Jungle. Have you seen what a graves with just boots and challenging smite can do to you?! It aint pretty. If this was patch 4.12 when riot broke lucian for absolutely no reason, i would agree with you but there are much bigger problems with other champs than the light slinging purifier.
are all you ever see in bot lane, both tournament, ranked normals. As a support main, it's really fucking awful and stale in bot lane. Ezreal is extremely boring to support (in my opinion), and extremely anti-fun to lane against because you can never capitalize on him unless he massively screws up. Lucian is a carry full of nearly spammable bursts on short cooldowns (meaning extreme uptime with passive) that has minimal weaknesses due to these low cooldowns.
Yes, I think so.
I want to go back to when his ult was bugged against minions.
Based on what I see from http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/lucian/diamond he doesn't seem oppressive at all. His only thing he excels at is high cs count, and his damage output is just like any other adc's. Just because he is popular doesn't mean he is broken; have you ever played him? He is probably one of the most fun adcs that is out right now.
I don't even get how people are sick of seeing Lee Sin Zed Thresh every game yet they are not bitching about Lucian wich is almost mathematically in every game.
Well, you'd understand if you apply context (no, that is not an underhanded insult!).
While Lucian needs toning down, or the reasons for his dominance removed, Thresh and Lee have been consistent in their pick rates. Bot lane has had its dominant picks fluctuate quite a bit, and I wouldn't consider Lucian to be historically dominant as Thresh and Lee have been.
I guess if I were to put it in layman terms, when Lucian gets picked you groan because he's FotM and it's getting annoying, when Lee/Thresh gets picked you sigh because nothing's really changed. That's the vibe I picked up from other players, at least.
I don't even get how people are sick of seeing Lee Sin Zed Thresh every game yet they are not bitching about Lucian wich is almost mathematically in every game.
None of them are OK.
making thunder lord not work on AA<s would fix this as well as soooo many problems
Rip Vayne
I think the best way they could nerf lucians early is make his passive scale a little instead of being the same all levels, lower its early damage by 20% to return to full power by lvl 18 (if not a little stronger)
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40% =/= 100% not even close
You're going to complain about Lucian, but current state Graves' made it past your radar. A champion that can now literally fill almost every role in the game while still dealing damage. Gets free knock back on auto attacks, has a dash that makes him tankier, because ad carries need tank stats, right? RIGHT? Not to mention two technical escapes not counting flash.
Let's face the facts here, Lucian is strong currently, yes. But the sudden power is coming from new items, as well as Thunderlord's Decree, you're seeing most Luc players take 12/18 masteries and then itemizing to max out cdr over attack speed/crit. If you want Lucian nerfed you need to fix Thunderlords and then nerf the items he uses not the champion. I don't know though, I could be talking out of my butt.
No. There needs to be a most popular adc in the game and Lucian is a good candidate for it. He's infinitely preferable to other adcs that have been the most popular at one point or another, namely Caitlyn, Ezreal, Tristana, Jinx, and VAYNE.
On a separate point, seeing everyone attribute Lucian's strength to Thunderlords is absolutely hilarious because Fervor is better on him anyway.
Any time Lucian is strong, he becomes an autowin bot lane champion. But the biggest problem is his disgusting synergy with Thunderlods Decree.
*remembers season 4 with kassadin and akali
