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Garen And Darius Duo Top

Boosterino·1/26/2016, 2:03:22 AM·3 votes·1,813 views

First of, this is not a "OMFG OP RITO NERF PLZ" thread.

I tried this out with a friend via skype and League, and found out, that this combo at recent, is extremely difficult for the enemy team to work around. Garen is uber tanky and Darius has great skills to be paired with Garen's silence and AoE (E) and instant short term tankiness (W). Darius's ult is great for turning ganks around with the help of Garen, and overall, top lane generally ends pushed to inhibitor by 15 minutes. I know the "Just 2v3 them with top mid and jg" side of the argument. But honestly, how much does this really help? Enemy Renekton, Rengar, and Fizz attempted to 2v3 us. We stayed and fought it out, and Darius got a triple kill. All you really have to do is the following: Garen pop W for incoming enemy burst, and spin, Darius focus on getting 5 stacks on their top laner, and peeling mid. Garen Q Mid early to stop further burst, and ult enemy jg and auto. Darius proceeds to ult top lane first, then mid, then jg, and boom, triple. I would like to know some sort of way to counterplay this duo lane combo besides sending your adc and support top, or using DoT champs like Trollmo and Fizz. The combo is really good at turning ganks around, and the only real way to stop them, is to send at least 4 people top to gank and shut Darius down for a while, and hope that they don't dive top lane too much. There has to be some way. (Again, ranged and DoT are obvious)

11 Comments

Crett1/26/2016, 2:10:56 AM3 votes

Forget that Garen and Darius Duo Bot

RogueWill1/26/2016, 2:16:38 AM2 votes

Anyone with either decent sustain or farm farming from afar should be able to freeze that lane. Trundle should have no problem outsustaining that lane, vlad could just farm with Q and pool if get caught until he can solo them both.Really you had an easy time because it was a rene which is another lane bully like garen and darius and thus was outdamaged eeverytime

Critmaster Garen1/26/2016, 2:40:20 AM2 votes

sounds really shitty tbh.

try this instead. get a jungle or solo lane adc, and run darius with blitz or thresh on bot. youre not screwing up your teamcomp, and you have a kill lane on bot with really good synergy.

blitz hooks the adc, and if darius has good reactions, he can even pull him back into range after he flashed. a successful hook is pretty much a guaranteed kill unless youre up against tristana, cait or vayne.

i dont know how good zilean/yorick is right now. placing a bomb on a ghoul and have the ghoul chase the enemy adc or support used to work pretty well. plus, double revives.

ValyrianBlade1/28/2016, 1:38:13 AM2 votes

You're looking for a counter other than lane swapping, when Garen and Darius is a 2v1 lane.

Almost no champions in league are capable of winning lane 1v2. It just doesn't make sense.

If you have a duo top, you're lacking one of two things:

A support
A jungler

in 1), you crush their adc. Get your adc really fed. Then let the ADC carry against two of the easiest to kite champions in league (especially if he has allied peel). Your top laner should double jungle with your jungler at first and then they can go top tower together when the wave gets pushed.

Alternatively, send your support top and wreck them anyways. ADCs can 1v1 and the support should win the duo lane against Garen and Darius - either it will be a ranged support who can harass them or a tank support that will match the 2v2 pressure but outscale thanks to relic shield.

In 2), your top laner should double jungle and farm the enemy jungle mostly. Your mid and bot can play hyper aggressive because there's no jungle pressure. Your jungler can gank for leads, and help defend top tower when necessary.

This is a cheese strategy. Meaning it will work most of the time because people won't know what to do. If it becomes viable though, it'll be shut down almost immediately as it will no doubt have severe counter play.

Sasogwa1/28/2016, 1:59:33 AM1 votes

what about the rest of your team? Do you have no jungler or a solo bot? In the first case, your team generates less experience due to being deprived of one source of exp (the jungle) and the enemies don't need to do anything -they'll passively outlevel you and get stronger- In the second case, I think your solo bot will get destroyed more easily than you will destroy your opponent. Indeed, what prevents the opponent toplaner to just farm it up and wait under tower? You don't have much CC or range so if you don't get fed, on top of the fact he's gonna have more levels than you because he's a sololaner and you're duolaners, you'll not kill him easily especially if he plays a tank. Your ability to take tower isn't so strong too, you're two melee champions. You've got one auto attack reset and that's it in your kit. If you do not snowball, the nature of your kit also is not good for duolaners. As Garen/Darius you rely extremely on your huge base stats and the gold of a sololaner to build defensive/bruisery items. If you don't get fed, compared to a usual sololaner you're behind on exp. and behind on gold. For a juggernaught, that means basically weak. There's a reason why duolanes are usually featuring a support and an ADC. Most champions either have great scalings or great base damages/utility. The first set benefits much more from itemization aka gold, whereas the second set benefits more of experience. Within the second set there are those who'll always be useful even if a bit down on exp/gold and have good abilities for duolane, that's the supports. And the guys that'd rather have quite some experience are the sololaners. Since there are 4 sources of experience (toplane, midlane, bot and jungle) the common division is to have 2 sololanes, one jungler and a duolane. So what would you put in a duolane? A support that doesn't need the gold but keeps great utility, and a guy that has great synergy with itemization and can farm out peacefully. Unless you can get rekt and zoned out by another stronger duolane. And it happens that adc + support doesn't get zoned out by other duolanes easily. They're actually more the guys that zone out other people. (the rare period where it was not so true was with Morde rework but he got nerfed quickly. Some cheese botlanes happen from time to time but they usually require a lot of knowledge for average results)

Garen and Darius both rely on gold and exp and want to be sololaners. The only case where I'd see this duo work is against really bad opponents that will feed you out of control because they have no clue that they can play extremely safe and passively win. So no, I don't think it works very well.

Boosterino1/26/2016, 2:11:59 AM1 votes

Bump

Boosterino1/28/2016, 1:13:00 AM1 votes

Anyone else?

Underworldvisito1/28/2016, 1:31:58 AM1 votes

.?? But what about the exp from the jungle? This allows the enemy team to take all of your teams buffs and jungle exp, as well as putting your top lane behind in exp. unless you want a solo bot, which probably won't work considering support + adc is best combo in game. In addition, they could just stay under tower and be safe.