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This isn't the way to nerf Ahri

Keevalroy·2/16/2016, 8:04:43 PM·132 votes·7,880 views
2/16 PBE Update

I've been avoiding League and LoL-related content recently since I don't want to give myself a stroke, but I have to speak up about this.

As an Ahri player, I will be one to admit she's strong - a little too strong, but this isn't the nerf you want to look at. What about that ridiculous movement speed buff she gets from firing off her Q? Seriously, why does she have this? As someone who has been opposed to this compensation buff since the beginning, I still don't understand why this unnecessary and random buff was tacked onto her kit other than to make her look more flashy. The Q speed does. Not. Make. Sense.

What do people complain about the most when they talk about Ahri? I mostly see complaints about mobility, yet that isn't what's being addressed.
Now I see that her Charm can't stop dashes anymore...yes, because how dare the player time their skillshots to hit you as you dash forward rewarding them for reacting fast enough... All the while, she's still running around the mid lane like a Kenyan senselessly throwing out random orbs to run away from ganks. That is the real issue.

The kiss of death mechanic was arguably the best thing that ever happened to her since it matched her theme perfectly and rewarded people for being good with her. Why not get rid of the movespeed she has for no reason, and give back the percent damage amp on her charm? DFG isn't in the game anymore, and the double amplification is gone - reward the player for hitting their skillshots and punish them for mindless spamming.

Will this change be an automatic fix? Of course not, her kit would still need to be adjusted, but extraneous mobility is what Riot should be looking at first and foremost, not the utility of well-timed skillshots.

198 Comments

Charmed by Ahri2/16/2016, 9:19:08 PM43 votes

So riot doesn't want to see Ahri killing people with WR so they lower the range of both spells to make it harder for her to get off raw damage because they want to see how well Ahri can land her skillshot right? But when Ahri does so they Increase the mana cost of Q to see her land her other. So Ahri focuses on hitting E all the while inturrpting people by landing it, then riot goes about nerfing the ability charm has to inturrpt various ults and now dashes. It's as if riot doesn't want Ahri to play for her skillshots. It's pretty unsettling as a main. No DFG, No compensation, No Charm amp, Lower WR ranges, Q mama cost up, passive heal nerfed and now Charm doesn't inturrpt certain abilities. Like it or not Ahri is another champion amongst 100s of champions and she just gets nerf after Nerf no matter how you play her. Honestly It's a bunch of bs, when it comes to patch note changes Ahri single handedly has the highest changes out of every champion in the game. Sad. When so many other champions who sit at the top of Winrate's who's kit is absolutely broken and have not even a comparable patch note history like Ahri does. So many champions who need balance but all the community and riot focus on is nerfing Ahri. And yet half the league champions still run rampant in terms that they are no where near balanced and are over powered but go unnoticed because??

Woook3r2/16/2016, 8:14:32 PM22 votes

What I want to know is: what internal politics lead to some champions getting compensation for their nerfs and others just get that weird pattern of nerfs that dont accomplish anything, and then get the one huge nerf they've had coming without any reversions of the ineffective nerfs. Why some champions get treated fairly, others get nerfed gently with compensations, and others just get wrecked.

Woook3r2/16/2016, 8:12:10 PM22 votes

All this does is buff the league of mobility

Matezoide2/16/2016, 9:02:11 PM18 votes

What a laughable nerf.

Seriously get rid of the MS Boost. She was supposed to be vulnerable pre-6 or when her ult is down, this nerf literally does nothing.

Andrionar2/16/2016, 9:24:53 PM17 votes

I don't play Ahri, but this change seems retarded. Even if Ahri is a little bit to tough atm, it's not the way to nerf the champion, it only shows how lazy Riot is to fiind a real solution.

JacctheInsomniac2/17/2016, 2:00:23 AM15 votes

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WTFMatee2/17/2016, 1:16:39 AM15 votes

I find it funny that riot around s4 wanted ahri's Q be hard to hit and rely on hitting E to be more rewarding.

All the MS buff did was make it incredibly easy to hit both sides of Q which they originally hated

Nidalee SO NYAAA2/16/2016, 11:49:20 PM11 votes

This just makes people like me who got pretty good at hitting the charm on champs like Leblanc not want to pick her into that anymore. Whats the point of charming her if the W damage hits you anyway

Pyrokineticmage2/17/2016, 3:15:28 AM10 votes

Charm used to be a very important spell on Ahri. In fact it's the most symbolic spell on Ahri. Now people are allowed to miss charm and still pull ahead. Not sure what Riot is thinking here. Dumbing down on how to play Ahri was what really made people hate her.

Assassin Ahri actually doesn't even exit anymore. She can't even 50/0 someone in one spell rotation if not fed. Her full ult takes too long for assassin type of game play.

Zarkkast2/16/2016, 10:21:03 PM10 votes

This is a considerable buff to LeBlanc.

Anu3isII2/16/2016, 9:37:29 PM7 votes

That charm nerf is dumb... They should have just nerfed the most abusive parts of her safe kit, not the reward for a risky/reactive play.

NineTailedMystic2/16/2016, 8:40:43 PM6 votes

While I didn't get much time with Pre S5 Ahri and DFG/E Amp, I vastly prefer this Ahri to it. Regardless this will make hard match ups even harder (Such as Diana, LB, Akali), while doing nothing to easier match ups. This is not the way to nerf Ahri, but it will go through regardless since it isn't consistent with other CC

WadeWilson13372/17/2016, 2:18:11 AM6 votes

This nerf is so minuscule id be crying tears of joy if a champion i mained was strong and this is how they "stopped" it..

InHaruhiWeTrust2/17/2016, 2:26:24 AM6 votes

100% agree this nerf is completely ridiculous. this is a nerf to skilled outplay. this was her main way of countering dive, by holding onto her charm and timing it to hit them mid dash. with this nerf they are removing an option for her kit entirely. this is a huge buff for champs that already counter her like Akali Diana Leblanc LeeSin Poppy as well as many others. i'm not an ahri main btw my main mids are Diana and syndra. this is just taking us further down the path to "league of counter picks". she might be too strong(though i don'personally have a problem with her), but you wanna nerf her nerf the Q movespeed. i don't think it should be removed entirely though, just made to where you only get move speed on champion hits. this would also be a cool thematic thing since you could say she is taking their life energy like she does in her lore. but what do you expect from the guys who released item 3147 ,and xin buffs despite literally everyone telling them not too.

Meep Man2/16/2016, 10:11:33 PM6 votes

This is to make Charm consistent with other crowd control. It might be a small nerf, but it's to make it so Ahri has to deal with the same type of engage other champions have to. While this might not be needed balance wise or nerf wise, this IS needed to make it consistent with every other CC in the game.

Its better to balance a champion when at least the mechanics are consistent with other similar mechanics of other champions than to balance them around having something special. I do believe this is why almost everyone hates Riven actually.

CaptnJakSparrow2/17/2016, 1:21:07 AM5 votes

I'm pretty sure once this change goes through, there'd be almost no good reason to pick Ahri lol. There'd be almost no point in ever using charm, and over half the champion roster will dumpster her.

Lurkkin2/17/2016, 4:33:09 AM4 votes

Seems they would rather remove the skill of the champion then something stupid like the MS buff on Q. Nothing is more satisfying then stopping an LB W and Diana Ult. It's counter play and that's what makes league enjoyable and increases the skill cap of the champion.

Solidair32/17/2016, 5:39:47 AM3 votes

Mobility is, apparently, a strength on Ahri they want to preserve.

Evewynn2/16/2016, 11:38:23 PM3 votes

This honestly does not feel much like a nerf..the cc still happens, but the opponent also finishes their dash. I can see this being either good or bad depending on the case itself. In most cases however, it is bad.

The main reason I don't like this is because I felt like this gave the "charm" effect more flavor as opposed to being a reverse fear. as far as balance goes however, I do feel like she needs some slight nerfs, and should be taken from elsewhere in the kit. Maybe take away the randomly tacked-on q movement speed boost..