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Just my experience playing mage mids vs "OP Assassins"

LeBlanc Rose·10/2/2018, 3:07:31 AM·27 votes·6,298 views

Picked Anivia, against Zed Level 2, q him while he aas minion, into e aa. Half his hp. He chugs a potion, I do it again, drop ignite and he dies. Next, he gets 6. Ults me, landing 2 aas, 2 qs, ignite, and e. Very barely pops my passive, I only die due to xin coming in. Level 9, he ults. He doesn't land q, uses ignite. Believe it or not, he didn't actually deal 200% of my hp.

Yes, if he manages to weq you, he will do 50% of your hp. So will literally every viable mid in the game, typically a lot easier than he can.

(Edit, I'm adding a bunch of additional examples, as one game probably isn't the best sample size.) Cass vs Irelia, she never managed to solo kill me. Every time she would engage, I would dodge E, and she would either back off or dash in recklessly, I would q and kite, dealing a ton of damage with E. Considering Cass is counted as "Late Game" past levels 1/2, it wasn't exactly like I had a huge advantage on her. I even managed to solokill her at 6 with my ult. We did lose that game, but it had nothing to do with the mid laner. Ahri vs Akali, she never managed to kill me. Literally just by not standing in the shroud, it was really difficult to die. Plus, one lucky charm and she was essentially dead. Very very few assassins have abilities which are land and they die, of course they do have their target access, but a good wall flash will save you. There are plenty of games where the opposite happened; Cass vs Ekko, I was doing perfectly fine until he got protobelt. From that point on, he could 100-20 me consistently, forcing me to farm under turret and play super passive until I got jungle ganks. It does all depend on player skill, champions, etc, but it isn't like assassins are so broken that it's not viable to play mages.

38 Comments

Thefrostyviking10/2/2018, 7:43:09 AM15 votes

OP forgive me for this but......you are gold 5.

The zed you played against is bronze 1.

You dont feel this is worthy of consideration at all? The fact that you played against one of the lowest of league?

Personal examples are not reliable in the first place due to being a far too small sample size which is why most of us encourage the use of statistics rather than that.

You stating that its easy to beat a zed with anivia at this level is like a plati 5 bragging about beating a silver 1.

In my opinion......its kinda ridiculous, i´d be rolling on the floor from shame if i did it.

Oh and despite how you "stomped"Zed in lane he still ended up winning the game going 12,8,14 doing 35000 damage while you went 8,7,13 and did 23000 damage.

So lets get the facts straight.......you as a gold beat a bronzie in lane but ended up getting outperformed by him, somehow, and not really by a little either.

OP you seriously cant tell why this all adds up to being kinda ridiculous?

EA1410/2/2018, 4:29:30 AM7 votes

+1, finally someone who doesn't scream about champions.

Kitsunes Lust10/2/2018, 5:16:46 AM6 votes

assassins arent really that terribly difficult to counter. just need some really good cc and maybe some form of sustain (in anivias case her egg) and know how they work. zed ult always reappears behind you so if you time itright you can cc them and essentially decrease their damage output and just hault them. everything has a weakness and a flaw. to me, sustain (swain or vlad for instance) or hard CC does some good use. that, and item 3157 just an opinion and whatnot

Nyarlathοtep10/2/2018, 10:43:57 AM4 votes

Believe or not, not everyone has the trade potential of anivia. Your q is relatively easy to hit when your target goes to cs. Couple that with your e (which cant miss and can "crit") and your damage during the lane phase is strong.

Next, he gets 6. Ults me, landing 2 aas, 2 qs, ignite, and e. Very barely pops my passive,

Unless you list your items and runes, this is very difficult to prove. In my experience a zed that is able to land 2 qs, 2 aas, ignite and e is going to 100-0 pretty much most squishies. Anivia is not one of them that can survive (unless she has passive). Anivia if im not wrong sacrifices base stats for her passive.

Level 9, he ults. He doesn't land q, uses ignite. Believe it or not, he didn't actually deal 200% of my hp.

Indeed, considering he has fallen behind he didnt. However one thing to take into consideration when people make these kind of threads is that they (most of the times) explicitly say that zed was ahead.

Stephenizgod10/2/2018, 7:14:46 AM4 votes

You also forgot to mention that Zed doesn't need mana so while he does comparable damage to a burst mage, he isn't gated by Mana problems.

Most of the "legitimate" complaints about Zed are not necessarily that he rolls his face on his keyboard and kills you. He can play very safe or very aggro, doesn't really matter so long as he finishes his first item he will be a threat. Contrary to what most people think, he can't level 3 all in you unless you let him hit you with several Q's first. He can dish out significant damage though with just his AA's and E. However, once he finishes dirk, he doesn't need to hit more than 1 Q to insta-burst a squishy target. Simply hit at least 1 Q and then you can auto E Ignite. I don't really care what anyone says or what proof they claim to have, I have faced Zed enough to have experienced this exact thing happening...

Then he hits 6 and unless you are the tank, he is going to all in you and you will die 9 out of 10 times (that 1 time you survive is because he fucked up his combo). Of course the only way to prevent that is rushing a Zhonya's which you are pretty much forced into buying. So not only does he do just as much damage as you, he doesn't have to worry about mana, he synergizes much better with his core items than you, and he also forces your first item while he gets to decide between offensive or defensive.

Is Zed OP? No I don't think so, more of his damage should be put back into hitting multiple Q's like it was before, but i think the problem is elsewhere. Electrocute and Lethality.

SweedishGunner10/2/2018, 10:00:14 AM3 votes

Zed is manageable depending on what mage you play. You can't stop idiot teammates feeding him though.

Stars Shaper10/2/2018, 5:34:57 AM3 votes

Well you have a passive that innately counters the first burst wave. Not to mention that non-brain dead Zeds won’t let you hit 2 times a full combo on Anivia before 6.

Shablagoo10/2/2018, 7:17:01 AM3 votes

Wow, its like you were better then him or something, no that can't be man, zed is a no skill champion that presses r and insta kills you there is no way you can beat him man. He deals 9999 dmg with each auto, he also uses no mana an every auto attack restores his energy. I am sorry man but this is fake, if you arent going to hate zed then its a lie man and ur a dirty zed main. Zed is a op champion man no counter-play and no one can beat him he also never dies because he has a permanent GA all game.

Seriously man you can't sit here and tell me that the skill difference won you the lane and maybe me and all the other players who complain about zed faced good players, and instead of taking accountability as well as simply understanding that there are better players then us. Not possible man zed is op and takes no skill. This is fake and gay.

Naymliss10/2/2018, 1:33:48 PM2 votes

Is this a parody post? Look, I get that people who say that assassins are op arent correct, but you beat a bronze zed. You can do that on any champion because they flat out don't know how to play the lane well enough to not int you if you try to punish. Anivia also has a very favorable matchup into zed, a 55% winrate in this matchup according to op.gg.

Look, I get it, you want to prove assassins aren't op. They aren't, but this isn't the way to go about it.

Verxint10/2/2018, 3:13:59 PM2 votes

If someone actually got hit by Anivia's Q at level 2 they're not a good example of skilled gameplay

Takazaki10/2/2018, 5:12:18 AM2 votes

mage mains are just bias

assassins are literally made to kill them and anything else that only checks the damage stat at the end of a game to see how well they did

koshkyra10/2/2018, 11:35:10 AM2 votes

Anivia is supposed to counter assassins in the midlane. Have fun playing Vel'Koz or Lux into that Zed.

strut10/2/2018, 8:26:10 AM1 votes

Name checks out

DearPear10/3/2018, 1:16:56 PM1 votes

I mean, if Zed hits all his spells with his ult I'm not upset he kills me. I sometimes feel like there's only so much I could have done, but he managed to use his champion. I'm kind of more upset at a zed flash ult auto attack, missing everything else and still killing me. Like, dude, what's the point in playing?

Velzard of Koz10/2/2018, 10:26:07 AM1 votes

And you have decided to base this on one game where you picked that one Mage that has relatively easy way to apply frost for point-click unhealthy burst. Yes indeed, it's much easier when you pick something equally unhealthy, that's the point.

Also, If we are using few games as example. Look high elo games like from Bjergsen. Look at the bans and picks.

LB, Talon, Akali, Syndra, Annie, Vel'Koz, Hecarim, Ahri, Heimer, Zed, Malzahar.

Either an Assasin or something that has point-click burst-chain, or is considered unfun in laning phase or was recently overbuffed. 10/10

Also speaking of one games, I main both Vel'Koz and Zed. Recently played both. Did good in lane in case of both. I guess that has some deep statistical meaning.

He4rtkiller10/2/2018, 11:19:37 AM1 votes

There is counter play to assassins. That said, playing vs assassin can be frustrating because if you make a single mistake vs them you can die or get forced out of the lane. Then once you start falling behind it's more and more difficult to keep up to them because they have very high kill potential. They are also good roamers so if you start losing to them in lane they will start influencing other lanes too. Sure they can be focused with cc and killed but most of the time this fills like mission impossible in solo queue when you play with 4 randoms. They lose power in late game but the way meta is now games tend to end before we reach it.

I personally like playing assassins a lot but I also like playing mages and lately I feel like playing a mage is not worth the effort while playing assassins is much more rewarding and fun.

[leblanc-funny]

Nausicäa 10/2/2018, 10:36:17 PM1 votes

Wow so you managed to beat a Zed in a single game at gold 5 0lp (basically silver) and you think thats enough of a sample size/evidence to draw conclusions. Makes sense.

There is this crazy thing called player skill and guess what? You can literally solo kill a Zed with AD Janna if hes bad enough, but this doesnt mean anything other than you're playing against someone that sucks.