Why no one builds Manamune on Lucian ?

tsgeist73·1/3/2018, 4:04:51 PM·1 votes·7,314 views

This item seems so good on paper. It's so cheap 2400 gold It gives you 60 bonus AD (25 base AD + 35 from%maxmana) , a lot of mana (very valuable considering how mana hungry is Lucian now) , and most importantly once stacked it gives around 80-100 AD on-hit on your autoattacks. And it synergizes well with Lucian's passive (since it applies 100% on-hit dmg). I tried it in game and it seems pretty good, doest matter if you start building it from pickaxe or tear it takes you around 12-13 min to transform it from Manamune to Muramana.

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Jbels1/3/2018, 4:07:29 PM2 votes

It is a very expensive deviation. Not to mention, you have to build tear first so you can start stacking. Combine that with the fact that Lucian's mana costs early are atrocious, you're basically going for a late game build that is less efficient than a late game build that already exists

Schenix1/3/2018, 5:22:15 PM2 votes

You give up a power spike on a back, to get an item that does not synergize with the rest of the build. Lucian wants to build Botrk onward most games but the damage of that has been dwarfed by other adcs crit strike and damage turning online fast. His mana costs and mitigated early game power force him to go Reaver onward and take 2 items to be effective -- which is a massive gold sink to become relevant without snowballing. Crit is always the best late game for an AD wanting damage.

Now say you came back with a Pickaxe and a Crystal, and the opposing ADC comes back with a BF Sword or a Dirk. You are quite behind, on an adc that wants to bully. If your opponents don't particularly know what they are doing, then sure. You can get away with it, as with most things in lower elo or mmr or however riot calculates. But against a competent bot or jungler, this gets punished and you lose the lane. Which, while Lucians win rate may say is inevitable -- is more manageable with a BF sword or Cutlass to get into mid game and early game spikes against your laners.

The early game is far more prevalent at the moment regardless, there is no competitive reason to try for a Murumana unless you plan on getting worlds ahead or your support is pure damage and you're feeling like gambling. It's just a novelty trying to expunge the hefty mana costs a Lucian player is forced to work around. Playing from a disadvantage even further because you feel like you're so disadvantaged it couldn't hurt you, is the sign that the champion is in a pitiful state.

A Bad Nasus1/3/2018, 8:12:59 PM1 votes

because it is a troll build

Titanium701/4/2018, 12:21:02 AM1 votes

Guess that's because of Lucians Power-Curve.

He has a great early into mid and a moderate late. Taking a scaling Buildpath will result in you most likeyl loosing the laning against someone you're supossed to win against and than getting further outscaled by them.

Tèrminus1/4/2018, 12:30:57 AM1 votes

Manamune in general is mostly a relic of a bygone era of League.

Jayce doesn't build it anymore, Varus builds it far less frequently than he used to, Yorick and Urgot both no longer build it after their reworks...

It's basically just "that item that fuels Ezreal's Q spam".

ElnyrJhodo9/18/2019, 7:17:13 PM1 votes

Manamune is actually good on him for a variety of reasons.

Lucians main weakness in early lane is limited trade due to mana, in combination with wave control related to that— and of course short range.

Lucian also scales heavily off of ad. Which manamune offers more early, and scales.

Lucian also likes to build cleaver. Lucian also likes to build bork.

Bork makes sense to build later, when the enemy has more health. Also remember that bork is 8% CURRENT hp. So it actually becomes far worse as the enemy has less health. Making it also far more valuable when the enemy has far more health. Thats when it shines.

Bork and manamune do additional ad dmg on hit.

Meaning: Build manamune, cleaver, bork, doms/mortal.

They all synergize. Lucian stacks manamune between 20-25, it has more ad than bork and nearly infinite mana for spamming trades and lane control.

Manaumune will have around 80 ad when stacked, then about 160 on hit. Bork is better over 1600ish health, manamune is better below that, we're covering all the bases. Pen just increases all the on hit effects, lucian hits about 9 a rotation. It hits hard enough that you don't need crit and it doesn't fall off. You can kill any tank, sej, mundo, amumu, it shreds everything and its really cheap.

I like to run pta and futures market, free boots.

Even behind you're ahead on items, you are consistently strong throughout the game. Hard spike around 25 minutes, lucian is designed for crazy on hit builds. Even if you get hit by anti attack speed items, nasus, it doesn't matter.

It does kinda fall off if you get into like 50+ minute games. In those cases you just go gathering storm and build the same.

You ult SHREDS anything.

FioraWillCarry9/18/2019, 7:44:52 PM1 votes

I'm gonna take a stab in the dark here and say it's because he is an early game bully. Muramana is a mid to late game item. I don't play Lucian or even AD carry for that matter but I have used the item extensively on Kayle. Manamune feels extremely weak as a first item, especially when compared to Blade of the Ruined king. Kayle, unlike Lucian is not an early game bully so she can stand to wait for it to transform. If I were a Lucian player, I would want damage now now now so I could get a billion kills before 15 minutes. Why would I want to sabotage one of his core strengths by opting out of damage in favor of scaling.

Anyways, this is just a stab in the dark. I really don't know why Lucians don't build it, merely why I wouldn't build it on him.

EDIT:

WTF....This thread is 2 years old.