@RIOT, when are you going to address Shaco's rework?

Shac Norris·11/17/2016, 7:33:54 PM·19 votes·1,963 views

I havn't seen a single Shaco main that's happy with the rework yet. None of the Jg Shaco players i have seen in my matches think that it's a good rework.

Bug fixes that should have been fixed years ago, yeah these are fine, but not the main rework. Even though now there's another bug with Thunderlords (can't proc it if you backstab (yet another thing on which we have complete radio silence by RIOT))

So when are you going to publicly address it? You've been EXTREMELY silent about it, even though people are complaining about it.

There's also his VERY outdated skins, but meh, that can wait. https://gyazo.com/6143b603095805ec9e869fe92eda00f5

38 Comments

Big Lincoln11/18/2016, 3:02:54 AM4 votes

I really like AP Shaco aside from the bug with Backstab and Thunderlord's

For AD/Crit Shaco (one and the same, IMO; his pure AD build is awful), I feel like they just need to change his passive to %bonus damage instead of replacing the attack with a guaranteed crit. It's so ridiculous that after you get item 3031 item 3087 you do more damage by NOT using your passive, because you'll do 195% damage (at level 18; it's even worse before this) instead of 250%. Utterly ridiculous.

MightyCaesar3711/18/2016, 4:26:38 AM3 votes

Only ap shaco top players even begin to approve of the rework and that's only because of the boxes on clone death. Overall they gutted the early game by making you max q rather than your damage and making that q max bad at the same time by having you be level 7 before it's even as good as the old level 1 q. Then the late game is far worse as well (unless you're ap in which case you situationally have better damage) due to "two-shiv poison" no longer backstabbing and the ratios all around being made worse so that all in all he loses almost 800 damage off of his combo at full build.

Sherlock Clones11/18/2016, 4:39:43 AM3 votes

His E does no damage. How can you think his E did too much dmg, do you see how much a lee Q does? Legit his E does 5 Dmg lvl 1. Its nonexistent.

Sherlock Clones11/18/2016, 4:38:07 AM3 votes

Are we playing the same champ? The fact you have to say he isn't THAT bad means hes not good. I shouldnt have to struggle to kill people with no armor the way he does now. Like do you see the difference in dmg between a shaco and a khazix, or a shaco and a lee sin. Its absurdly unfair. Shaco thrived as an early game jungler. Now his early game is a joke, his mid game is meh, and his late game is laughable. AP shaco is fine damage wise but still nerfed from what it was. But now with AP, the jungle clear sucks and you can't farm lanes.

WhaiiSoSerious11/17/2016, 7:58:22 PM2 votes

Riot themselves don't even understand why they applied those nerfs.

They just gave him the nerf hammer and hoped for the best.

And they don't comment on things that don't benefit them.

Sherlock Clones11/17/2016, 8:28:50 PM2 votes

Do you how many threads I've posted in, wondering when riot would respond to the negative criticism. My only guess is that they see his win rate only dropped a small amount and his rate of play went up, so that can only mean they did a good job. Even though every shaco main I've talked to is extremely frustrated. It's funny watching shaclones stream and watching the sarcasm that comes out of his mouth about the new shaco.

Sherlock Clones11/18/2016, 2:44:41 AM2 votes

I've given up on a riot response. There have been numerous threads which are mostly negative about the new changes. Most high elo mains are not happy but have adapted to the new changes. It's silly we have to beg riot to respond

The Yetii Rider11/18/2016, 2:58:59 AM2 votes

Shaco needs a complete VGU. They set out to nerf his early game and they did. Mission accomplished.

Sherlock Clones11/18/2016, 3:26:43 AM2 votes

If you think shaco is balanced, then you clearly don't main him.

Sherlock Clones11/19/2016, 11:58:59 AM1 votes

a lee sin did more dmg then me, with one atk item and the rest was tank. MAKES SENSE...

Frius11/17/2016, 11:55:05 PM1 votes

cance r to all shaco players

Shacowned11/18/2016, 4:28:46 AM1 votes

Honestly i don't think the new shaco is that damn bad, yeah they nerfed him fairly heavy overall but he is still VERY GOOD when played right. Yes they need to work out some bugs(TLD and Back stab > Normal Crit Priority) but that happens with most reowrks or changes like this. I my self am a 220K~ Shaco main and i don't think he is in THAT bad of a spot, they nerfed his early game which as most will agree was ridiculously oppressive and kept his mid game similar and (At least to me ) his late game seems stronger than before, i think the main reason people are whining is because in the early game shaco takes more finesse than before.

EcchiOtakuTM11/17/2016, 9:48:43 PM1 votes

The bug happens (and a lot of AD shaco damage lost) because shaco's Q doesn't include AA damage. The AD ratio isn't actually ADDITIONAL for some reason.

Thus it's 1 hit and damage lost from AD especially. Not to mention no TLD proc.

Just wished rank 1 stealth was 2 seconds and passive scaled to normal crit amounts but didn't stack with IE.

As it stands aside from the bug I have to 2 point Q before E max just for it to function. While IE is a wasted last buy only for back crits.

five oh tree 11/17/2016, 8:54:13 PM1 votes

He's completely balanced around ap shaco now. Which blows. I miss ad shaco. Like, ap shaco is good and balanced now, but everything else is worse. Not what we asked for.

A Basic Island11/18/2016, 4:43:34 AM1 votes

rito hates that they created shaco and will do anything they can to get us to not play him

Gnole11/18/2016, 5:57:07 AM1 votes

i hope they fix him

SnackieCakes11/18/2016, 10:27:54 AM1 votes

I main AD Shaco and was initially frustrated by the rework. However, after numerous games experimenting with different builds and jungle routes, I've been finding a lot of success.

Concerning the Q change, you mostly can't pull the same kind of lvl 1-3 ganks as before (though it is still possible), but once you get even just a second point into Q, his ability to jump in and surprise laners is much the same. What I'm saying here amounts to a nerf, but reducing his really early level trickery is a reasonable trade off for some of the other changes, including the extra second of duration on Q at rank 5.

E is worse now, but it is also a one point wonder, so if you're maxing Q > E, I'd recommend Q > W > E instead.

W is overall better now and I feel Shaco has gained some strong trickery in being able to place boxes while stealthed - which reveals Shaco but does not make him targetable or remove bonus damage.

The passive is now much worse and I hope they'll find another way to implement it. As a lot of people here have pointed out, his passive now limits his ability to regularly crit, which seems totally insane. I'd personally like to see the 20% damage bonus when attacking from behind return, but maybe just make it so that that damage cannot crit.

The build I've currently settled on uses normal Shaco runes: AD reds, AS quints, armor yellows, and AP blues. I go Warrior > Tiamat > Gunblade > Lichbane > Zhonyas > variable.

I'd like to point out that I am an AD Shaco main, and although this new build includes a lot of AP items, it's just weirdly the best way to preserve the AD crit shaco style from before. The moment you build Gunblade you get a proc for 250 damage; Lichbane adds another ~200. Those two items, coupled with Shaco's backstab, Q damage, and Warrior/Blade AD make for great squishy killing burst. The Zhonyas coupled with Shaco's new R proccing mini boxes allows for jumping into the enemy, blowing up a target, and often still getting out alive after Zhonyas wears off and you can re-Q out.

***Shaco's damage is still lower than before, no question. BUT, he has gained some tools, and ultimately THERE ARE NO MORE PINK WARDS!!!! And that's the greatest thing, instead of playing Shaco as an Assassin in the early and then transitioning into pure split pushing (as was often the mandatory case), you can now play as an Assassin the entire game. Or split push. You have options now.

Stay strong, fellow Shacos!

Sherlock Clones11/19/2016, 11:58:04 AM1 votes

thats ok though....riot has yet to respond. Because to them, shaco is just fine being crap. It is offical

Calabok11/18/2016, 2:59:52 AM1 votes

nothing to change. he's perfectly balance IMO