Just wondering what the community's opinion is on this.
**Situation: ** Your Tank/Support pings Retreat. You, as the AD/AP Carry, feel that you are capable of making a good play so you Ping the enemy champion. You and your support end up dead because you both did your own thing.
Question: Who's at fault here? If the AD(AP) Carry and the Tank/Support ping different things, who's call(or ping) technically should trump the other?
Fault can be placed on both parties, but personally, I would put the majority on the one that went in. If my team is showing that they intend to retreat, I'm going to play it safe and retreat. But that's just how I handle the situation.
Typically people decide on a shot caller BEFORE the game, This way everyone follows one call. No role is the shot caller, Just because of the role they play.
I have seen shot callers in the following roles: Support, ADC, Mid, Top, And Jungle. Notice something there?
its ur fault.
if u have no backup, dont go in.
no one is an official shotcaller, but you have to use common sense.
Playmakers, engagers, objective control players
Normally junglers
In general, I feel whoever is having the best game should call the shot. For some reason, I've noticed they tend to call the best shot and have the best view of the team's power. The one who lost his lane probably is feeling down and will want to play overly passive when the team can still win.
Think about it : if you're 5/1 out of lane, you probably have a good idea of the strengths of your team because you are one of those strength (say : if you can burst a player in time). You probably had time to see how the lanes were faring so you know who is fed and who isn't.
Compared to the 1/5 laner, who focussed all his concentration on surviving his lane. Who didn't really check who is strong and who isn't. Eho is probably is a defensive state of mind. His main gameplan now is probably : "I'm behind, don,t engage unless we have a clear win. Avoid fair fights!". His team however, might be more even than he thinks and could win a few fights that the player will instinctively avoid.
Jungler get priority - then the initiator - then the assassin - finally the person that always manages to get caught out, right before a team fight. Carries usually aren't the best initiators, with their general lack of cc.
Let the tanks or the supports call the shots, please. It is so irritating to see the adc go into a stupid teamfight when everyone else is leaving.
So neither is in charge?
You should listen to whoever is in charge of that area of the game. The tank makes the engage/retreat calls, the jungle makes the dragon/baron calls, ect.
ANswer : whichever player (not role) can lead and make the calls. In your example, I,d say if the adc/support died, they probably were in the wrong. Not because tank-call thrumps adc-call, but because you probably should have tryed to disengage when you saw that the team wasn't following.
As I once heard from one of the commentator : better to have 5 people following a bad call than 2+3 people following 2 different good calls. So ultimately : the group's cal is right. if what you do helped the team, thumps up! If not, regroup and stick with the team.
As agent2090 said, technically, both parties would be kinda in the wrong. The tank fleeing team could have come back to help. But from experience, you can be too late to go in, you can rarely be too late to get out. Wether you can "blame" them for not seeing the possibility of diving is another question entirely if you as me.
