The saddest thing about the whole Malz support fiasco

Kubox·2/19/2017, 5:49:12 PM·29 votes·2,404 views

Is that if there were more supports like him, people wouldn't mind playing support as much.

Now I'm not saying he's balanced (or not, for all that matters), I'll leave that to Riot to decide. But It's interesting to look at what you can do with him, especially when compared to other support champions.

  • You can actually go Eye of the Watchers into full AP and be a threat. And not just any threat, assuming you did a really good job, you can actually 1v1 people on the enemy team. The only other supports who can do that is Zyra (who's in a similar boat) and potentially Tahm Kench, though he received a lot of nerfs.

  • You can also build support. Watch LCS and you'll see some Malz players going the typical Redemption route, sacrificing their damage potential in order to further help their team. And both builds work fine, which is something you won't hear me say for any other support champion.

  • You can mix both builds depending on the state of the game and your and/or your team's needs. Get an AP item then quickly opt into Redemption or vice-versa.

All-in-all, as someone who's been playing with him a lot recently, I can't describe how freeing it feels to play him, and how I wish I had more supports that could do this. Is my adc bad? No prob, I'll get the kills, get 6 early, gank mid, gank top. I can ping Dragon and my jungler will be happy to come down as my minions make it safer to take (and I can just ult the enemy jungle should he show up). If I gank mid, I can make it a successful gank without needing my adc to follow along to do the damage.

Playing Malzahar makes me feel like the actual 5th member of the team, rather than the other half of the bot lane. I can choose my own build, make my own calls, have actual pressure on other lanes on my own. I can put on my carry pants and proudly say that we are going to win this game.

45 Comments

BastionKross2/19/2017, 7:10:50 PM15 votes

Good idea, bad execution.

Malz has a lot of agency and control over his own fate as a support. If he feels the need to, he can put on his big boy pants, grab a deathcap, and start carrying. This is good.

Unfortunately, he does that in such a frustrating and toxic way that everyone wants him to go away.

Vel is a better example. He can support or carry from bot lane, and he does it in a fair and healthy way.

doublelift fg2/19/2017, 5:57:44 PM15 votes

which support can 75-0 you at level 2 with voidlings that run so fast? his mana cost are also quite low allowing him to harass you with E+Q refreshing E more time than he should be allowed to

support malzahar is an abomination

i don't mind support malzahar bringing utility in teamfight or anything

i mind support malzahar being the renekton of botlane

Big Lincoln2/19/2017, 7:02:03 PM9 votes

if more supports were like malz i would never play support again

midnight oil242/19/2017, 6:58:30 PM8 votes

I don't want more supports that are just second mid-laners. If you pick support, you're obligated to actually support the team, not live out your power fantasy in another lane. You're not a support if you build ap offensively.You can be a support who builds ap, but it needs to fit as a support ability, like with soraka, not just saying "oh, yeah, I'm zyra. Here are my plants, they deal magic damage, I'll buy a sightstone so that I techincally qualify as your support while building offensively on everything else.

snibedi snab2/19/2017, 7:23:32 PM7 votes

Welcome to how it feels to play a DotA support.

Eedat2/19/2017, 6:09:54 PM6 votes

If there were more supports like him this game would be terrible. I don't want supports that can chunk literally 80% of my HP at level 2 with a item 3303

BlueBilberry2/20/2017, 5:41:08 AM2 votes

Malz support also works well against Heimer support - which I discovered today. It is also something I never thought I would ever say.

Hyrum Graff2/20/2017, 1:43:44 PM2 votes

Anivia and Orianna support can both do this, as well.

Originally chooses between ap and pseudo-janna with a more aggressive ult.

Anivia chooses between ap (e max) and tank (W max, build FH and your ult slows AS a loooot).

Twitch Chat2/21/2017, 8:30:35 PM1 votes

The real saddest thing is he's still too strong bot so y'all malz circlejerkers brace for another round.

KoggyStyle2/20/2017, 3:19:34 AM1 votes

Fiddlesticks

Darth Pixy Misa2/19/2017, 8:00:42 PM1 votes

While the possiblity of carrying from malz or brand is high, if your adc is bad, what about the melee supports like braum, taric, and leona who cant sustain vs that amount of damage? I hope this vanguard update will make vanguards noticably tougher than typical mid carries.

IMO when you consider the setting it just makes since. Right now Nautilus has armor of 26.5 - 90 while Lux has armor of 18.7 - 86, Does this make any sense? Naut is a Titan in a heavy iron suit, Lux is a mage wearing the traditional Damacian military uniform for women(she is basicaly a battle mage). Malz is wearing basic clothes and has armor 21.9 - 81.4 how does that make sense?

IMO mages in Runeterra would be concerned with fighting mages so you should expect mages to have low AR and high MR. Vanguards and Wardens in runeterra should be tough. They are the front lines vs warriors and mages, so they should have high AR and MR. ADC and assassins dont want heavy armor, they want to be fast and do damage, so they should have low AR and low MR.

Leo10242/19/2017, 7:21:32 PM1 votes

that's the problem, people need to understand that support is utility>damage