Why balance SHOULD be based off high level gameplay.

MercuryCannons·8/4/2015, 3:12:17 AM·21 votes·1,581 views

So i see a lot of people pose the question "why should we balance the game around high level of play if the majority of players are low elo?"

I think the answer to this question is pretty simple, what's considered OP in low elo is most of the time not OP at all. It has simple counter play and easy to play around but bronze players are just not capable of doing so due to lack of game knowledge and mechanical skill.

However, what is considered OP in high level of play is actually OP and most of the time there's nothing you can do about it. There's no clear counter play and it's not a lack of mechanics/game knowledge that is making said thing OP, because these players are quite competent at the game.

To give an example of this, a low elo player might insist that Chogath is OP but in reality all you have to do is kite him and dodge his telegraphed knock up. Because he is a melee champion with no gap closer, he is not a problem for people that understand the game. Which is why he is not very strong in high level of play.

However a champion like Elise is permabanned in high elo atm because there is not really much you can do against her. There's nothing high elo/pro players could just start doing that would solve the problem. However in the other scenario the solution was quite simple. This results in her being consistently banned in high elo because there's nothing you can do to her.

Anyways, it's just my opinion and i know since i gave examples of champions considered strong in high/low elo the thread is just going to be filled with players insisting Cho is OP.

34 Comments

Slamurai Jack8/4/2015, 5:46:48 AM7 votes

And this is why Sated Devourer hasn't been nerfed yet and likely won't be. It honestly isn't that great diamond and up, and has been almost completely ignored by pro play with the notable exception of Cloud 9.

Godaren8/4/2015, 5:02:15 AM4 votes

Cho'gath in lane is absurdly op it is only after lane that he is somewhat "balanced" he beats every mid lane champ in the game and most top laners look at hai trying to play zed vs cho'gath last split hai's best champ by far at the time yet he has 0 chance vs cho'gath because his kit is overloaded.

JustMyBassCannon8/4/2015, 6:31:34 AM2 votes

This is absolutely why the vast majority of balance changes are focused on high-tier play.

That said, it's good to acknowledge when something is really difficult for lower-tier players. This is where really minor nerfs come into play. Changes like the 1-second delay on Zed's R, for example, are designed so that better players aren't affected, as it's just basically a skill-cap increase.

Saianna8/4/2015, 4:15:32 AM2 votes

Problem is: Balancing game for few isn't best idea. Because casuals get hit the most. For them if champion gets 0,000001 AD more per level means nothing, but when champion who isn't played often nor is super to begin with, gets nerfed cause of few PROs, then sorry, this "nerf decision" hurts greater pool of players than just few freelo PRO'ness-in-my-asian-blood-nerds.

Unless ofcourse, Riot decides that "fun" is something that they do not require in their game.

UltraSceptile8/4/2015, 4:05:46 AM1 votes

Thing is Cho is really strong, if he was so predictable and easy to play against he wouldn't have been played to decent success last split. His silence is huge against mages and to make matters worse his autoes do a ridiculous amount of damage for some reason. It's so painful when you dodge cho Q but you get hit by his silence and two autoes and lost 1/3 of your health as a melee. I don't blame people for banning him or thinking he's OP, a lot of times I see cho he feels unbeatable.

Elise is getting banned a shit ton even in lower elos now too, not as much as shyv or kayle in my games but an awful lot. SHe's not just broken in high elo.

jaymc11308/4/2015, 4:19:50 AM1 votes

+1

DJ Siamak8/4/2015, 3:13:08 AM1 votes

cho's silence is the stupid part of his kit though

the thread has a good intention but a better example would probably be Zed since everybody who thought he was op after the AS nerf was generally low elo

Chaotic Reks8/4/2015, 9:42:56 PM1 votes

Here's a question: Why should we low elo players suffer with something that is difficult for us to deal with but others can excel at it? See also: American School System.

bad manner kid8/4/2015, 3:24:43 AM1 votes

If you get tapped by the silence going in for a CS, and he guesses the correct path your going to run back, you can't avoid taking his entire rotation and possibly have to flash if he's barraging you with spikes going for a Feast.

Cho'Gaths in lane sustain vs someone who can't poke him out is also extremely annoying. He's fairly susceptible to ganks but every time I get bullied in lane my junglers preoccupied and it blows. Lane bullies in general are "OP" in the sense that you can't do anything but lose massive CS if you don't want to appear to be losing the lane to your team.

An OP champion in high ELO, (Pre nerf LB) was deemed to have zero counterplay because her burst combo was too mobile and you couldn't do anything to avoid the following damage. There are still many cases of this in the game but until a high elo player shows how to always succeed in lane those champions won't get called out.

Erockandroll8/4/2015, 3:49:02 AM1 votes

The Pro Scene is going to be the Alpha and Omega of game balance. They pay the bills. If a champion becomes problematic in the Pro Scene, It will get nerfed. If a champion isn't a problem, but still makes the game stale. (anyone who's still strong picks like Sivir) The also get their numbers shifted.

Though obviously these are team games, and are less applicable for YoloQ. Which seems to only care about How Sated Devourer means nothing can out duel you, Annie can insta nuke you and her terrible range and mobility doesn't make up for that, or how Kat pubstops everyone.

But that being said, Riot is making attempts to balance around all Elo, And yet should focus the higher Elo, Cause that's what they want the Low Elo's to strive for.

Sakura Mirage8/4/2015, 3:49:51 AM1 votes

item 3140 for all you complaining about cho's silence here you go you are fucking welcome.