PSA to Sightstone Whiners:

Arakk01·7/16/2016, 1:16:00 AM·2 votes·1,190 views

Supports are not your sightstone slaves, ESPECIALLY not AP supports. It is a SUPPORTIVE item, to be certain, but there are two major factors to consider when deciding when to buy a sightstone- and what member of the team should buy one, because it needn't always be the support.

The first factor is need and efficiency. In a lot of cases, it is a MASSIVE mistake to rush Sightstone as a second item. In a botlane game where you are behind, or where the other team is fed, you should already be playing in a way that lets you leave your river completely unwarded and your tri-brush pink warded. Frozen under tower, ready to collapse on a flanking jungler or support. If you're BEHIND and you've pushed far enough for an unwarded river to be a threat, you're already at heavy risk of dying to your fed opposing laners- or dying to their jungler just walking through the warded brush after you, or walking through your tribrush, even with it pinked. - On the flipside, in a botlane game where you're significantly AHEAD, you can keep both your tri-brush and river permanently pink warded and punish the other laner for trying to clear it; this is even better than a sightstone ward at lower levels of play, as the jungler knows he's been spotted and will often abandon the attempt altogether to clear the ward or retreat. - In both of these cases, Sightstone just doesn't do much, especially considering the point I'm going to make in a moment. You are gaining NOTHING but the passive at a considerable price tag of 400 gold- almost enough to upgrade your gold item, or to buy a Doran's ring, or a pair of boots and two potions. In both of these situations, you don't gain much benefit from having more than the one ward each your yellow trinkets offer (for toplane TP, scouting bushes, etc.) which means you're paying 400 gold for a dubious vision advantage. Objectively, you're better build a item 1029 or a item 1033 and item 1001 to dodge skillshots and soak your laners' damage in both situations.

Pretty much the ONLY time you want to build a sightstone and will use it efficiently is when your lane is completely even in power- roughly equal CS, kills, and build progression, no counterpick against you, a steady back and forth of wave pushing. Here, you can pink your tri and have a real vision war, warding a bot bush, river, and dragon with your sightstone and using your trinket for skirmish warding- or changing to a red one. Usually, though, it will be one of the above extremes- and you should be playing accordingly to make a comeback or push your advantage, things Sightstone's passive proves very little use in. Otherwise, in terms of gold efficiency, it's practically dead weight until the midgame rolls around.

Which brings me to my second point: Delivery. If your support is a squishy, immobile AP champion (like Zyra, or Sona) AND behind, fuck you for wanting them to buy Sightstone. By the time midgame rolls around, mages and assassins start one-shotting AP supports, right when Sightstone becomes actually relevant. You're expecting them to not only forgo a slot, but delay a defensive or other supportive item they should be building from behind to carry the item- which they can't use. Every two times your support dies warding, the enemy team gets enough gold to pay for the Sightstone passive and a couple potions. And if your squishy-ass support is behind, delving into the unknown alone (because who are you kidding if you claim you escort your support around the map) to get you vision, they are going to die. In a game like this, it's futile for a support to buy Sightstone- the team needs to coordinate pinks and trinkets, or someone else needs to take control of vision. Someone tanky. Maybe someone who roams around the map...

Yeah, roams around the map. Remember this item, guys? item 3711 It still exists. It's essentially a sightstone for tanky junglers who can't do a ton with the item 3715 or item 3706. Junglers like Amumu Chogath Malphite Maokai Rammus Sejuani Volibear of these. I see a lot of hate on supports for building more stat efficient items, or 'more damage to get kills', usually- but tank junglers with nearly no attack speed or need for additional CC will still build these items over the one that is basically Sightstone, but provides relevant stats that make it slot efficient! The same goes for toplaners in the situation I described earlier- more or less even with their laner, not snowballing to stomp the whole game- they can definitely build a sightstone until they're ready for full build, considering they get to CS a LOT more than the average support and have either the tankiness or the mobility to escape any sticky situations warding might get them into.

But players don't consider that. They want the support to be the ward slave and the ONLY reason they don't have vision control. Noone considers that support players should be just as careful with their build efficiency and playstyle as anyone else. Essentially, it boils down to the attitude of the different role mains- support players are almost always team-oriented players, while everyone else wants to see themselves shine and 'carry'. Because of this, the support role has adopted a 'slave' stigma of buying ALL of the team-oriented items noone else wants to buy- but that doesn't make the items SUPPORT-ONLY items. Your toplaner or tank jungler CAN buy a item 3190; your mid can grab a item 3060, and your jungler can sure as hell get a item 3711- it doesn't even hurt them as bad as a item 2049 hurts a support (or anyone, for that matter- the final item is more or less gold efficient after an enchant!)

TL;DR If your team comp looks like Leona Ashe Kindred Fiora Malzahar then Leona should PROBABLY be warding and toting a Sightstone. If your team comp looks like Zilean Lucian Rammus Darius Diana then honestly, Rammus can get a item 3711 and everyone else can use their yellow trinket. It will be OK.

33 Comments

Truly Prideful7/16/2016, 2:06:22 AM9 votes

Why is it that every one of these threads forgets that you buy that Sightstone partly so you can swap to sweeper without losing warding capabilities? Slamming down wards is only half of the vision game, without the sweeper you can't even accomplish the vision denial part.

Zach Sandwhich7/16/2016, 1:30:57 AM5 votes

Feel like your the guy who play a "Support" like Lee sin or Veigar and builds full AD/AP. It's a lot more efficient for a support to get a sightstone as it's hella cheap which is good for support since they are low income. It also builds into a LOT of support items (item 2303 item 2302 item 2301 item 2045 ). It also allows you to pick up one of these bad boys item 3341 item 3364 to help get rid of enemy wards while you can still place wards. The thing about the junglers is that they can also buy these item 2043 mamma jammas and ward AND have a Chilling/Challenging Smite. Honestly this thread sounds more like an excuse for you to build full damage as a "Support". Note: this is all from the views of a support main.

DrCyanide7/16/2016, 1:26:15 AM5 votes

Yellow trinkets don't cut it, and if you're relying on your yellow trinket then you don't have a red one to clear out enemy wards and make easier ganks/dragons for your Jungler.

Not getting an early Sightstone and sweeper is possibly the biggest single mistake you can make as a Support.

Quepha7/16/2016, 2:00:34 AM3 votes

So many words and they're all wrong.

SGFenBpP3i7/16/2016, 1:41:08 AM3 votes

As a jungle main, the only time I would build a green smite item would if the other 2 (red, and blue) aren't effective with my champion. 99% of the time, even if your playing "Tanky junglers who can't do a lot with the red or blue smite", the blue smite is amazing because of the gap closing ability it provides. In terms of general gameplay, more vision is better in every case, which means you have a lot less chance to get ganked bot side if you have it warded, and you can also open yourself up to get sweepers to allow yourself to get ganked easier, making it easier and more efficient for everyone.

Beldair7/16/2016, 2:01:31 AM3 votes

As a support main, yes we aren't the only ones with wards that can be warding...

But we ARE the only ones with item efficient ward items... I usually get the upgrade to my gold item then get sightstone with sweeper and finally finish the gold item

Reaper Soraka7/16/2016, 1:34:32 AM2 votes

I kinda only read that first sentence, and I just want to say, even as a Brand support I pick up sightstone immediately after Frostfang.

Supports, stop being dumb and just pick up a sightstone. Also, place a pink ward. When that pink ward dies, place another.

WhiperSnapers7/16/2016, 2:41:37 AM2 votes

And not all junglers have to buy item 1041item 1039 or take summoner 11 but it makes their role on the team so much easier. Its the same principle for supports and item 2049. The support role is more focused on the macro game and its really hard to look at the big picture when you have no vision. The same goes for the heavy AP supports like Annie Brand Zyra Lux , their job is to shutdown the enemy carry in lane thus putting their's ahead. These guys^ need to buy sightstone just as much as the other supports to insure that their carry doesnt lose the lead due to a gank.

ForgiveColour7/16/2016, 1:48:26 AM2 votes

This is why I dont take gameplay boatd seriously

Ralanr7/17/2016, 4:50:50 PM1 votes

Supports are the better champions for sightstone because they don't need many items to actually do their utility.

If you find yourself needing a lot of AP as a support, then you probably should have just taken that champion somewhere else.

CrazFight 7/16/2016, 8:43:30 AM1 votes

No mate, supports are our sightstone bitchs.