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Ok, how is Taric even winning any games?!

Sherogarth·6/22/2017, 6:42:00 PM·17 votes·3,481 views

Some time ago i was playing my favourite, manly support and something that catched my attention were my very low stats in post game screen compared to other players. So I did some reserch in this topic to check if thats normal and now I'm wondering how is Taric even winning any games?!

**Lets start with his damage. ** Taric is somewhat known for his ability to duel other champion so I was expecting that he is doing at last comparable damage to other tanky supports like Alistar or Braum... well nope. According to champion.gg Taric is doing ~5383 dmg per game... There are only 2 other champions that are doing less damage, Janna (~4173) and Soraka (~5158). Other tanky supports outclass him rather hard in this category - Braum (~7081), Leona (~7204), Alistar (~7371) , Thresh (~7642) , TahmKench (~8027), Blitzcrank (~9000). (On a side note support Sion is wreaking true havoc down on bot lane with ~11284 dmg per game.) Well it looks rather bad but damage done was never very important statistic for tanky (and manly) support like Taric.

So Lets take a look at the most manly statistic of them all - damage taken. Again, according to champion.gg our handsome man is taking ~18754 damage per game. Looks quite nice, isn't it? Well... nope. Taric is taking almost the same damage per game as Ezreal (~18422) and TwistedFate (~18787). Other tanky supports once again outclass him in this competition Thresh (~18938 not really that far but Thresh is more of a playmaker than a tank) , Leona (~20191), Blitzcrank (~20411), Braum (~21173), Alistar (~22534), TahmKench (~22794). (Sion support is once again kicking butts with his ~24960.) Feels bad.

But not everything is lost yet, Taric has one more thing that can keep him above the rest - he can Heal! Oh wait... he cant. Form all other supports with dedicated healing ability only Bard (~5690) is doing less healing per game than Taric (~8075). Other "healing" supports outheals him quite hard Sona (~11080), Nami (~12080), Soraka (~21804). Funy (kinda sad) fact Taric is loosing in healing done even to Alistar's passive (~9116), support Trundle's passive + ult (~10407) and supports Sion (~13964)... wait what?! (I suppose Sion's passive revive counts as healing.)

Conclusion After all this reserach I came up with 3 theories as to how is he not only winning some games but sitting at balanced 50.97% winrate with this stats.

  1. Taric swimms in tones of hidden (and manly) power. Kinda wierd considering he was reworked for this reason.

  2. He brings very powerful utility so to balance this his other stats are low. Its impossible to calculate the true power of his ultimate and sadly there is no stat to show how useful actually is his stun.

  3. He is too fabulous to care about some statistics.

Thanks for reading and share your thoughts :D. All stats taken form - http://champion.gg/

43 Comments

The Fuzzy 0ne6/22/2017, 7:02:13 PM12 votes

He's just so awesome :3

His whole kit is built around keeping your teammates from killing themselves PLUS he's a tank who can soak up damage and provide extra armor to squishuies so that they too can be tankier... or he can use it on an engager/tanky engager/tank to keep them in it even longer so that the other team takes longer to chunk them down! THEN when you think that that person you're protecting might die YOU PRESS R and your whole team can become invulnerable :D

A good Taric ult will win games! Also, the damage and cdr provided from his passive (which you neglected) means that he can provide damage when it counts and can spam q more often in team fights. Q has an awful heal... yes BUT combined with windspeakers you're really only using it to give a sustained amount of AOE DEFENSE STATS!!

I guess what I'm saying is that, he may not fit into the specific boxes but in his own little nest in-between where he has the diversity to excel in anyone if played properly :)

Big Lincoln6/22/2017, 7:01:43 PM6 votes

2.5 seconds of complete damage immunity for your entire team, nothing else he has beyond that should be even remotely close to the best, otherwise he's overpowered

le epic rework of course

King of Demons6/23/2017, 12:49:10 AM4 votes

Taric is a peeling tank that also heals and protects.

If you look at the stats you need to remember that his ult entirely avoids damage. That won't show up in any stats.

The healing of Trundle and Sion doesn't count, they only heal themselves. Taric heals his allies

Bârd6/22/2017, 9:22:50 PM4 votes

It's not that Taric's stats are bad, it's just that he can't be measured by those specific stats.

The "Damage Dealt" stat is often misleading. Most of the other champions you listed either have a poke tool (Braum Q, TK Q/W, Sion E) or just need insane base damages in order for their kits to succeed (Leona, Blitz, TK). Taric can duel carries early not because he has exceptional damage, but because he does mediocre damage while taking absolute ages to kill.

Damage taken isn't quite as misleading, but Taric can't be measured like that. Taric doesn't stack HP as much as other tanks, in favor of resistances. This means he has less health to lose in a teamfight to begin with. It doesn't help that most of Taric's purpose is to AVOID damage. He gets tons of armor, a shield, and a goddamn Kayle ult in his pocket. It's no wonder he doesn't take tons of damage; he mitigates the living shit out of it.

Taric hasn't been a healer since before his rework. His heal right now is garbage, but it's one of the best skills in his kit for one reason: its interaction with his passive. This spell singlehandedly turns this guy into a machine gun of shields, stuns, and green circles. It's only used for its CDR, but its DAMN GOOD cdr.

If you want to know why Taric has a good win rate, it's because he unrivaled protective capability (A shield, a heal, and an invuln, all of which hit multiple people) as well as decent early damage and an aoe stun with no significant CD if he can keep hitting things.

StoryDuck6/22/2017, 8:20:52 PM3 votes

Taric is a case of a champion with most of his power budgeted into his ultimate. Don't get me wrong he is still a good champion despite what the stats say and those stats also don't show the damage mitigated on your allies. Keep in mind he can make an ADC a bruiser with his kit and grants damage immunity for 2.5 seconds. Imagine a Master Yi with 2.5 seconds of being immune to damage on top of his kit, or a Riven in the middle of engaging with 2.5 seconds of invulnerability, how about twitch with 2.5 seconds of you can't kill him? The combos that Taric can form with others is pretty crazy but those stats rarely show up because there isn't a damage mitigated on others stat. Only a damage healed.

THE RlVER KlNG6/22/2017, 9:49:24 PM3 votes

I like to see my man Tahm topping the charts of damage and tankyness.

Catastrop6/22/2017, 11:10:13 PM3 votes

Well this is what happens when a champion has such a strong ultimate, everything else needs to suck in compensation.

FireDrizzle6/22/2017, 9:39:17 PM3 votes

1 thing you didnt mention with Taric is you can buff 1 member of your team a lot, provide invulnerabilty and when you pick someone fed/ a hypercarry its broken. Like Galio ult.

Dextix LT6/23/2017, 12:45:35 AM2 votes

So, you are comparing completely different classes of supports with different strenghts, and saying that they are better when comparing them to a generalist that is Taric?

Mate, your logic makes 0 sense. The reason why taric is a bit lower on those scores than other champs is because unlike them he classifies as many things. His healing is not as big as the squishy healers because he is also a tank and has cc. His tanking is not as good as other tanks because he has teamwide healing/shielding and again, CC!

He is a GENERALIST, that is why he will be outclassed by more dedicated supports while doing more than them overall.

His ult also takes a lot of power, but even without it, he is great at burst healing and tanking AND stunning, which is his purpose.

He is winning games because he is GOOD.

What you are doing here is the same bullcrap as "Oh look, x has an ability that is simmilar but better than y who has a different ability" without taking into account DIFFERENT KITS AND POWER BUDGETS.

Comparing raw numbers means NOTHING without situations and COMPLETE comparisons of kits roles and situations. Comparing his "damage taken" means NOTHING when you do not include mitigation. Comparing "damage done" means NOTHING when you consider that others have poking tools while he does not.

What you have "compared" here, means absolutely nothing. It is a jumble of numbers that cant be made into ANY coherent conclussion because you are measuring him wrong.

ZapMyHeart6/23/2017, 4:09:41 AM2 votes

Because he is fabulous.

That is why he win games.

[slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

Sire Hippington6/22/2017, 7:43:27 PM2 votes

well, those stats don't show everything. Danage shielded is not included, Damage taken on it's own is a poor stat, you need the self mitigated damage on top of that to really see how much damage one soaked. Teamwide damage immunity and an aoe-stun that can be proxi cast on a high distance certainly do alot work aswell. And the sneaky armor boost form his W.

And for his Dueling, he wins it by consitantly stunning and damageing one opponent while shielding and healing him self. It's more a slow grind that denys any real chances of fighting back. However, he hardly can prevent people from just running away, so he rarly ever gets a duel to the death.

Tarik has a lot utillity, both obvious and subtile, that make him strong. However, atleast for me, he feels quite a bit lackluster to play. His Q feels like ranking it up even in the lategame is a mistake as the manacost increase stands in no relation to the poor heal increase, His passive is very hard to use as he's fucking imobile, how on earth is one supposed to get those AAs off with him. His W is great, but on a massive CD if you can't use you passive, which is very unreliable. His E feels quite good though. Though my biggest issue is that ult. Yes, it has the potential to be insane, but it also can be pretty usless. It just consumes to much off his power compared to how unrewarding it feels most of the time since either your mates jsut keep running away, or you opponents easily disengage it.

Glory ln Death6/22/2017, 8:50:31 PM2 votes

Sion >:D

And, yes, the system counts his passive as healing done - every time he dies, he gains his entire health bar as healing done, + his 100% lifesteal during that time.

SanKakU6/22/2017, 9:32:44 PM2 votes

Sion, Blitzcrank, and Leona are not actually supports. They're fighters/tanks that often substitute for supports. We do have a crowd control score in the game now, but it needs work.

LordGeovanni6/22/2017, 10:37:06 PM2 votes

I gave up on the advertised Taric playstyle with his rework i play ap enchanter Taric where my goal is to hit as many champions as i can with q forget the rest of his spells they are useless except to get q off of cooldown q is also insignificant but it being aoe allowws for team wide permanent item 3504 buff. Biggest problem with it is peoples ASSUMING i am going to be their tank when defense items are bad and taric no longer has his previously super small aura with the range of Darius' Q. Designing rework off of a bad meme

Sir Fuzzi6/22/2017, 10:37:41 PM2 votes

I love the 'damage' component. How much of that is contributing? How much of that is just being soaked up and healed out without a huge loss of footing or resources?

Taric has a lot of flexibility even if he lacks raw numbers. Having the stun fire from two places at once can be insanely useful; his ult can completely decimate a teamfight in the right hands. Furthermore, he just has to reapply his shield and he gets a new position from which to cast; it's less that Taric is constantly healing, but when he does he can make it count for more than what most get out of a single cast. Same with his stun. I'd also like to submit that there doesn't seem to be a count for damage shielded or mitigated (via ult)? So while he might not heal or deal as much, he might still be soaking up damage with his skills. And, of course, there's the issue of trying to duel Taric and realizing his cooldowns barely exist if you let him stick.

Numbers don't always just equate to that kind of progress; even though Soraka has that much more healed, that's also all she can do, and she has to because she can't shrug off the damage in any way especially since she spends health to heal. Taric can use his shield to body block and soak skillshots on his ADC, and still come out to heal them for damage.

mr Boombastic7876/24/2017, 12:07:42 PM1 votes

Poor Taric :c

He is beaten in every category by another manly behemoth who is Sion (exept fabulousness)

Taric only does selfless manly actions, but his glory is stolen by some selfish dude who wasn't even supposed to be there.

FakeGravity6/22/2017, 10:56:38 PM1 votes

i think taric naturally take less damage because of his armor from W which help during the most dificult early game against adcs also his ult prevents alot of damage as well, as far as healing is not only very small but also increadibly mana starving making him a terrible healer

Karn Bishop6/23/2017, 12:46:31 AM1 votes

The same way eve, urgot, and old aatrox mains used to win games, because everyone who fights them does not understand what their kit does due to a small portion of the community even playing said champions.

Tobias Brackner6/23/2017, 6:05:10 AM1 votes

I think you got it right on the money with his hidden power.

It's not hidden when you play him or against him, it's just really hard to track with stats. His stun is godlike, his heal + shield is enough to keep anyone alive by enough to kill their target back. His ult is also godlike, capable of turning a fight if timed right as well as capable of setting up to just straight take a tower.

#Shout outs to Sion supp! HE'S GODLIKE SUPP!

Death by Glamour6/23/2017, 3:31:19 PM1 votes

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meowwow76/22/2017, 6:54:51 PM1 votes

well let me list off some tips for how i win games with this hidden gem

since most teams have atleast 1 gap closer or mobility spell other than flash they can jump onto the enemies and taric would have a great follow up since ad life steal is becoming problematic his ult is great for stopping them from drain tanking your team with the buff to armor in items it synergizes with his w too well and before you say something about teammates not surviving til his ult this combo comes in handy item 3193 item 3190