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About Vayne's Silver Bolts

Jaykmeit·5/16/2016, 10:10:59 PM·4 votes·2,222 views

Please, before judging: Make sure to read the whole text. I'd appreciate that a lot. Many people has come to the last topic thinking that I was actually complaining about Vayne per se.

Thank you for paying attention

Hello there, folks

Before starting to open this board I am going to clarify something first: This topic won't talk about Vayne Vayne's gameplay / skill performance, since I have nothing against these features coming from her.

Marksman do have a very offensive potential, as they have the most of physical damage dealing apart from having the ability of attacking from a limited distance.

Unlike some assasins and fighters. Such as Irelia Irelia or MasterYi DIS N00BCHUMP ONLY AA OMG!11!11!dssadgvsf Master Yi, who have the abilities that let them for a certain time to deal true damage on hit (and a fixed dose) — Vayne Vayne has a passive ability that lets her deal the equivalent of an enemy target's MAX HP as true damage (12% at 5th level).

This might complicate things in the fields of justice. Since Vayne Vayne; as the rest of our marksman do already have a very offensive potential and their own evasive abilities. Vayne, has this extra damage dealing, which can result (sometimes) unfair.

True damage is the only type that cannot be reduced by any deffensive feature (Whether Armor or Magic Registance) unless any shield, spell summoner 21 Barrier, item's passive (Like item 3047 Ninja Tabi, which reduces the damage received from a basic attack by 10%) or any special ability that reduces damage taken (Like Alistar Alistar's Ultimate). Life could make you hold on a bit longer if you were facing any of the already mentioned fighters.

However, Vayne Vayne's W allows her to ignore such resistance even with mentioned elements, causing the most of tanks to become — and sorry for the disappointment — Useless.

I have already appreciated many summoners (Including myself, who likes to play as Vayne Vayne when he has the chance to play as Marksman) have dealt way superior damage than many other Marksman Champions. This is caused by Vayne's Ultimate core: item 3153 item 3046 item 3124 plus her Silver Bolts (W) passive ability. She practically deals MAX HP Physical and true damage dealing. And this might result excessfully offensive for Vayne Vayne.

WARNING: I am not saying that Vayne should have to stop being an "Anti-Tank" marksman. It's just that I find way excessful her damage dealing.

What do you guys think? Do you believe Vayne Vayne's Silver Bolts ability is okay or would need some changes for the next patches?

15 Comments

Calabok5/16/2016, 10:13:27 PM3 votes

So, another nerf Vanye post? K

BornAgainVirgin5/21/2016, 10:16:44 PM3 votes

Don't nerf Vayne again lol, I doubt she is the issue. I'll keep this simple since not everyone mains adc. ADC is what I would call a glass cannon in general and typically needs some level of protection/peel, some are bit more beefy, some have a bit more aoe, some are more single target etc. In Vayne's case, she is actually more "glass" but with more "cannon" than any option currently in the game. When ADC's level up and get extra ranks into their bursty skills like Ezreal Lucian MissFortune even Caitlyn while Vayne gets NOTHING, but her ult is what drives her potential up and this is why the old cooldown nerf was so massive for Vayne. Her ult went from being the critical tool in EVERY engagement to something she has to wait for and use at the right moment or shes going to have a bad time. She is extremely item dependent.

Vayne's biggest early pressure is a "turn around" fight at levels 6 and 9, because so many people misjudge her damage output. You might be thinking, well that turn around is easy to do and I do it all the time in low elo. And I'll say at Plat1+ thats easy to counter and punish, and its easy to crush vayne, with ganks if necessary, to the point she wont be doing anything useful anytime soon. Now you point out her %hp true dmg as an issue, but you have run no numbers whatsoever. And when you compare to other true dmg like Irelia remember that it takes 3 attacks on the same target in your calcuations. Sure, the numbers are high vs Alistar Rammus DrMundo Malphite, but have you actually looked at the numbers vs Ahri Annie Leblanc Katarina? MUCH MUCH LOWER, and they will easily kill vayne before she even gets enough shots in.

Her bolts originally were 9% WITH a base dmg added in so she had much more of a chance then. Now they are 12%, but with a weak useless "minimum damage" and ZERO flat damage added in. When you consider all these nerfs (including the nerf that made it so you can dash to cancel to condemn's knockback, even just before hitting a wall), why would you think she needs yet another nerf? She isnt even strong right now unless you somehow feed her, and lets be honest if you feed ANY type of carry then they will start wrecking everything in sight. Hello Jax MasterYi Khazix AkaliFizz Jinx Riven Rengar Draven Lucian Talon {{champion:157 Graves etc.

The ONLY reason to even pick Vayne IS the true damage. Her late game is great but what good is that when games right now are decided so quickly? You mentioned the rageblade build, which is an actual joke item for people to talk about as it shakes things up. It will be completely changed again for the 100th time im sure.

Papa Slothy5/19/2016, 4:34:22 AM2 votes

she isn't good to begin with, even if she is fed as long as she doesn't have ult she can't exactly "outplay" you easily

Phoenix Kotori 5/27/2016, 10:42:19 AM1 votes

I use to have issue with her but riot finally dropped the flat part of her w's true damage so now I am fine with it since it's clearly an anti-tank ability rather than anti-everything.

Sneakyy XD5/28/2016, 9:41:52 AM1 votes

Just to point it out, changing SV from true to physical would make her no longer anti-tank and would make her stronger against squishies. It's the same thing with old Bloodrazor and new Bloodrazor - unless the damage is true damage, damage based on % maximum health will be more effective against squishies than against tanks.

With that said, SV should not deal true damage based on maximum health. Nothing should deal true damage based on maximum health (except maybe turrets).