New Conqueror doesn't work with Singed Poison Trail.

Navillus·2/8/2019, 3:01:15 PM·25 votes·27,687 views

2019-02-07 23-49-26

Q does not gain more than one proc and does not refresh duration, making new conqueror worse than the current one for Singed.

Poison Trail only counts as 1 out of 5 procs required to activate, and also doesn't maintain the damage buff once it's activated, which actually makes it worse than live conqueror for Singed. I don't understand why every champion gets to have new, powerful runes, good items with damage AND CDR, mobility, CC, etc., but Singed can't even have a set of runes that works for him. It's ridiculous at this point. Singed doesn't get to have nice things.

NOTE this info is from reddit user Minishcap1, the holy singed main. side note: my puppy is eatting my feet when i am typing this, send help

30 Comments

Bjørnetjenesten2/8/2019, 5:29:29 PM14 votes

If singed could use it with DOTS, then everybody with dots would abuse it so hard. Imagine Malzahar Viktor Anivia getting 5 stacks (10% true dmg and 10% healing) from 1 spell, thats fucking insane.

StringentHydra2/8/2019, 3:47:22 PM11 votes

Singed really needs buffs to keep up with the power creep and insane CC that's in the game now. I really don't understand why conq. Is bugged on him but this needs to be fixed.

DrTiltenstein2/9/2019, 4:00:12 AM7 votes

for real, why do you hate us?

You've made singed feel awful to play. None of the runes we have now are good, and you keep making them worse.

Demographist2/8/2019, 11:31:43 PM6 votes

Agree, it is sad to see this not affect Singed, given the current rune keystones and their respective rune paths do not really match that well. This may not mean necessarily that just plainly making conq work with singed would work well. First, it would affect other champions Because of this, it would be good to see conq get adjusted in a way which will match with champs like singed while maybe preventing abuse from other unintended DoT champs like Brand, Malz which are more DoT +Burst.

As the pbe thoughts said, it heals now and is meant to make for longer sustained dmg, without non champion combat charging. One change to still benefit the champs who would benefit from those perks and combat type would be to put a time requirement along with the attack count. Being like 5+ seconds lets singed not be OP with it proc'ing it almost instantly, while the other bruiser kind of champs are still balanced. Also, not as oppressive for small trades. The goal was more of a sustained dmg.

Lil Homie busta2/8/2019, 7:45:16 PM6 votes

Who picks conqueror on singed when there's aery, aftershock and grasp?

Dumpsterman2/10/2019, 8:15:26 PM3 votes

Last Mechanic they gave singed made him less tanky, and is designed to cap at a max of 25 stacks of 20% MS. So a potential of +200%, which happens never. Meanwhile ~15 Champs can easily walk away from or simply outspeed him. Of the other remaining champions that just have a wall jump, or ward jump force him into having flash to properly match up against them, or god forbid any terrain spawning champs.

Has an ultimate that is nothing but a stat stick, and gives ~2.2k/4k/5.8k worth of stats for the duration. Hes legitimately a different champion while affected, yet still is the exact same. Kinda a brute force way to keep a champion relatively relevant.

Camille ultimate can fully counter flash spells if used while the enemy is affected by it. Meanwhile there are so many insanely poor interactions with pool & fling, or even just the grounded trait. Flinging onto a decaying Pool can result in no snare. Zac can jump out of SInged pool if channel starts after affected by pool debuff. FoW/Bush can cancel a mid cast of Fling (not animation, IT HAS A CAST TIME, AND A BAR).

How is it that champions who have a jump can land their jump before singed can fling? Jax jumps ontop of Singed, cant react. Darius pulls Singed, can land an auto Q before singed can fling. Quinn head butts singed, but can outspeed fling, ok. Why is it that SInged is one of the only Champions who has no answer to Banshees, and yet they just keep buffing it?

Has a champion whose effective AoE size can scale based on movement, yet has no way to maintain freedom of movement. As in Tenacity, or Phasing. The only possible way to get Phasing on Singed is Ghost / Phase Rush, as they've just removed the only phasing trait on an item.

FOR JUSTICE2/8/2019, 4:03:52 PM2 votes

can you do me a favor and try it with udyr?

im half expecting they didnt want it to proc with DoT ticks. but thats just me.

Hethalean2/8/2019, 3:04:29 PM1 votes

Where is the information on new conqueror? I can't seem to find it.

Speedfire24/25/2019, 9:55:55 PM1 votes

So I dont know if this is really Relevant anymore, But Conquerer is not in fact bugged on Singed, his Q is a poison that lasts about 3 seconds even if your only affected by one tick, that also means that every three seconds that a enemy is in his poison is another stack of Conquerer, When combined with Autos and his E, its actually not to hard to get the 5 stacks, and it will keep refreshing itself as long as enemies are in the poison, which is where the scary part of this comes in, If facing a tanky team, All Singed needs to do is Take Conq, along with Rylais and just build tank, And he can wipe enemies out while dealing more damage then his usual Rylais/Liandries combo, So this isn't actually that bad of a rune on him, its just situational.

The Planeswalker2/8/2019, 7:32:00 PM1 votes

the DOT should just refresh the one stack it gives

Anime Fizz2/8/2019, 11:14:42 PM1 votes

Would be completely broken if it was, thats a good thing.

Conqueror is not a rune made to be abused by DoT champs and mages.

PrinceOfStorms2/9/2019, 1:25:12 PM1 votes

It's not supposed to count as multiple procs. No DoT does.

DracosKasu2/9/2019, 3:12:49 PM1 votes

Dot shouldnt give any form of stack. Those kind of ability are way too easy to abuse.

Kadexe2/11/2019, 7:47:07 PM1 votes

Hmm, so he would have to autoattack/fling his opponent a few times before it starts working. Sounds really awkward, not sure if it will be viable on him.

xxXTinyHippoXxx2/13/2019, 6:23:46 AM1 votes

Or have dot effects be less effective just like they are on most things in the game, like instead of 5 total stack to proc make it 15, non dot/aoe damage gets 3 stacks per hit, but dot/aoe only gets 1, so it evens out the speed at which it stacks comparable to a melee champs. Kinda like gunblade and ravenous hunter heal cuts.