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The meta jungle champions are the strongest ever. Patch 7.1 doesn't fix that at all.

BluePolarizer·1/11/2017, 10:08:29 AM·11 votes·7,621 views

http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics

If you click on "learn more" next to win rate, it lets you see all the jungler win rates for the entire patch. Champion.gg only collects data for a few days.

What the data shows is that very few junglers have over 50% win rates right now except for the top 10, and even within the top 10, every champion except the top 5 are hovering at around near 50%. The jungle champion pool right now is 37 champs. The difference between the highest and lowest win rates is over 10% (54% for Ivern, 43% for Diana). This is unprecedented.

The top 5 (Ivern-Shaco-Khazix-Vi-Nunu) on the other hand, are at 52%-55%. In particular, the top 3 are at 54%, 54% and 52%, respectively.

This means that it isn't junglers that are too dominant, it's that the meta junglers are so powerful, they dominate other junglers. If the enemy picks a meta jungler and your team plays an off meta jungler, it gets much harder to win the game starting in champion pick. And the definition of off meta has expanded, from "brand jungle" type things to "shyvana" or "sejuani".

Now what is happening in patch 7.1?

The high win rate junglers are not getting any nerfs at all. The only meta jungler to get a nerf is Lee Sin, but he's not even top 10 in win rate right now. Although historically Lee has always had a low win rate, a nerf to a low win rate champion while simultaneously the top champions not being touched is very strange.

The other jungler to get a nerf is Shyvana. Shyvana is a 50% win rate champion that relies on fast farming, yet her strength - fast farming - is being nerfed severely.

In previous jungle metas, it was an entire class of champions that was strong at once in solo queue. In Cinderhulk meta, it was true that Cinderhulk tank junglers dominated, but Cinderhulk users ranged everywhere from pure tanks like Sion, Sejuani and Amumu to tanky fighters like Skarner, Hecarim and Volibear. In addition, anyone could buy cinderhulk. In the carry jungler meta, you had Sated Devourer junglers dominating, but there were also very strong ranged junglers like Graves, Kindred and Nidalee, as well as low income disruptors like Nunu.

But now, more than ever, a tiny set of champions is completely destroying all other champions, and little is being done to address that.

The jungle EXP nerfs do not impact the top junglers. They still farm faster than the non top tier junglers. They still gank better. They still have ridiculous synergy with new masteries.

13 Comments

Socket121/11/2017, 12:01:26 PM5 votes

The jungle EXP nerfs are nerfing the low tier junglers even more

SeaGodUrronuos1/11/2017, 12:07:05 PM1 votes

Aand another dipwhit not knowing what the hell the patch is going to do to solve it, holy shit

ŚtrongMental1/11/2017, 11:55:07 AM1 votes

Understandably your plat 4; so this may come as stupidity from someone in lower ELO, with a lot less MMR (and when i say stupidity, i mean im curious to know more) - i'm legit a one trick jungler that has figured out quite a bit in the last week after analyzing myself (been playing for 2 years and never really looked at myself in accordance with the game and all of its potential mechanics - just played to play) - but op.gg is all statistics around high elo (i.e. diamond, plat, master tier) - so while they have 50% win rates, and lower (or the commonly unlooked at, less used in higher tiers) to skip the rambling and getting to my question (but first let me clearify) To me; off-meta (by your own definition) FEEL weak, (and when i say weak, i mean clear speeds shit, to a point where its beneficial to counter-jungle YOURSELF by 2 camps and focus solely on 4 camps + ganking, their damage is low or sub-par early//mid game, and even if built properly worse late game) Do you feel non-meta junglers (or those with sub-50% win rates) are weak? OR are you trying to portray (quote unquote) "... now, more than ever, a tiny set of champions is completely destroying all other champions, ..." as a whole (in the jungle)?

P.S: i definitely feel you on "the definition of off meta has expanded, from "brand jungle" type things to "shyvana" or "sejuani"." mostly because my one trick is off meta

SNSD Sunnny1/11/2017, 2:10:41 PM1 votes

the point of the jungle nerfs is to make it so sitting in the brush for 2 minutes straight and failing your gank doesn't mean you still the same level as solo laners...

right now junglers get 0 penalty for failing to ganks completely, they can farm their entire jungle and still gank every lane twice and come out the same or ahead as laners even when they fail every gank.

RaiokuMoonscar1/11/2017, 7:40:20 PM1 votes

Shyvana is a 50% win rate champion that relies on fast farming, yet her strength - fast farming - is being nerfed severely. (That is greatly exaggerated lol)

ŚtrongMental1/11/2017, 10:51:22 PM1 votes

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Shyvana is a 50% win rate champion that relies on fast farming, yet her strength - fast farming - is being nerfed severely. (That is greatly exaggerated lol)

actually it isnt - her AOE deals 50% LESS DAMAGE against monsters - used to be THE BEST clear speed jungler in the game, nunu couldnt even top it, now, nunu holds that top spot...

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Being the same or ahead of laners while failing ganks is simply not true.

And there's the whole point of this post: the reason that you feel junglers are so dominant is because your jungler, if he's off-meta, is simply nonexistent. There's nothing he can do about the meta junglers. And what feels like you being dominated by junglers that fail ganks, is actually the result of the enemy jungler being so superior to your own jungler that it might as well be 5v4.

to start; let me clarify what you said on how i feel; i feel that junglers as a whole are weak, (while a few outliers do better then others) but as a whole they feel weak... however clarify sideways, the first half of that i agree with, the second half i disagree with, (and not the superior part, because there is always going to be someone better) i dont feel dominated or desimated by enemy junglers - i think we as junglers should be able to do more, or have a wider scope of a jungle...

Edit: The game most times already feels 5v4 sometimes (with how often people do crazy shit)

DunkinNoobs1/11/2017, 12:23:00 PM1 votes

The jungle was even more lopsided last season, with Nidalee at the top laughing at everyone with her 57% winrate for months at a time.