CG riot. You have finally destroyed midlane Zyra

Lesba Zyra·3/31/2018, 11:42:57 AM·77 votes·24,678 views

Greetings,

**first of all. Let me introduce myself. **

I am OTP midlane Zyra from season 3 and you can know me as Lesbian Zyra (Lesba Zyra, Zyra x Lissandra .etc). Yes. I'Ve been playing midlane/top/jungle and adc Zyra for 4 season in a row. And yes, I never ever play supp Zyra, because of her release. I've get in love to play her as a mage and a midlane champion. I am from EUNE, but I've got to use NA forum, since nobody listen to EUNE forums anyway, because of its toxicity level. I've managed to hit master every single season. The previous season I've been able to hit challenger too. I've got around 4KK masteries with Zyra, if I will count all of my accounts. So in the end, I've managed to get over 5 000 games with Zyra.

Anyway this season started fine. I had something around master 100 lp and 62% winrate, playing with challenger players .etc It was alright. Once the patch that changed liandry into a crap item, it forced my elo and my mmr to rapidly go down. I've been able to drop from Master 100 lp to Dia 4 in a simple week.

**Now I've heard Riot's opinion about new Liandry. **

They say that the item is stronger against tanks now. And I say that's not truth at all. Sure 10% dps is fine against tanks, since flat magic pene is useless against tanks anyway, BUT. The dot is really weak, especially for poke machines like Zyra. Actually this dot is 50% less effective for poke. Did you ever think about tanks and their magic resistance? Since the mask deals only magic dmg, they just simply build mr to counter this item. So in the end, you've got only 0.5% dmg per second against tanks. You know how bad that feels? 0.5% dmg per second? The old mask had 1% if you will count all those MR items. Sure, the new liandry is stronger against target with 50% and less dmg. Anyway who plays for that? You've got to shrink their HP, so you can use burst for targets that have 50% less.

Also since the liandry has lost its early magic pene, it has no longer to be usefull as 1st item. And that has nerfed Zyra a lot. Without situation item like the old liandry, she has no chance to fight against RoD, early mr abusers (abyssal mask), mercury, hexdrinker .etc If you would like to play for flat pene, you've got to buy ORB. Sure, you can say, that I've had to face those builds with the old liandry too. Anyway there was a good dot to be used and I could buy void staff with that. New Morello isn't good item for Zyra, because of its missing DOT. Zyra needs additional item do deal dmg and she needs flat magic penetration, because of her weak ap ratios.

So what's the current problem of Zyra?

She still needs flat magic penetration to deal decent dmg. Without that, I feel like my numbers don't hit at all. And we all know that Riot isn't playing around flat magic penetration, so she needs something to scale. She needs better ap ratios or some scale power like AS modification for plants or something like that. I've got an idea to give her flat magic penetration scale. Or just give her some % hp dmg. There is a lot of ways how to buff MIDLANE Zyra.

Also there is a problem about her secondary role - support. I don't know, how did you allow Zyra to become a support champion over midlane. It's same with Brand. You've managed to push Annie back into midlane. So why not Zyra? Why not Brand? You've got to give them something special as a midlane champions. And that's scale. A special scale that counts with creeps. Yes. Zyra has got W reset, but that's not enough. Plants are weak and has no dmg against MR targets and HP targets.

So we've got another problem and that's her plants. Almost every champion is able to one-shot them or just simply ignore them, because of their weak dmg. They feel like a garbage gold sack. That's all. Did you try to play as Zyra vs Kayle, Corki, Orianna, Vlad, Singed .etc? And I am not even talking about her high counters like Zed, LeBlanc and any assasins mostly.

Her passive is strong early, weak late Why? Because of late game plants with are simply one-shot by everything, since everyone has items, cdr .etc to spam auto-attacks and abilites.

Also her spells are clunky and old For example her E. The super slow skillshot that has 0.75s duration at level 1 and weak ap ratio of 0.5 scale? What's that? A joke? Q Can you nerf it to its old circle Q? It was definitely better, because of poke. Now you are rarely able to hit that, because players ain't just walking to sides. They are walking forward and backward, so I don't get your opinion about Q + E sinergy. You think they are going to just go right and left to get hit by her E that roots them for 0.75s? Also it's weaker for clear. you need to go side to use its all hitbox with forces you to get in a danger. Also can you give it back its range? It's really clunky, because of W's sinergy. Sometimes Zyra just plants W or Q, instead of doing both.

Result

Zyra has become only early champion with depends on enemy builds, because of MR. She is super squishy and her plants are useless against a lot of champions, because of one-shotting. Her abilities have no scale and are out-dated. Her core item item 3151 was nerfed a lot, especially early and poke. And she is still counted as a support champion only with is sick.

So I hope you @Medler is going to read that or any of riot's balance team, because I've got no motivation to play Zyra anymore. And mostly the league itself, because I just love playing midlane Zyra only.

also you know what's sad? That my strongest build is now on-hit Zyra. Wit's end, nashoor, rageblade .etc, because everything else is simply without dmg.

215 Comments

Schokoprinz3/31/2018, 12:47:47 PM38 votes
Dezyre3/31/2018, 1:36:25 PM18 votes

Around 85% of Zyra players play her support and this has been the case since S3, a lot of champions have shifted role from their release (Gragas, Nidalee, Kha'Zix, Quinn, Graves, Corki etc.), I'll be happy for you if Riot manages to change Zyra in a way that solves her issues midlane and doesn't affect her support role but expecting them to make Zyra a midlane-only champion because a minority of Zyra players complain about he current state doesn't make a lot of sense. Also please don't come back at me saying that Zyra was supposed to be a midlaner and so on, people have been playing her support for years and that's her role even in pro play.

RiotRiotRepertoir4/1/2018, 10:57:59 PM15 votes

Hi. I'm looking into some solutions for plant pain points. I agree they're under delivering.

I think that would be a good starting point, and I'd be unlikely to start digging into everything else here at the same time, because it's likely that when plants feel underwhelming/unreliable, everything else on a kit that depends on them feels like shit on account of that.

Stuff like her spells being clunky and old... seems like a personal opinion to me. I share the opinion on the Q stuff in particular, and actually Meddler does too. When we were looking into Zyra toward the end of last season, we surveyed a bunch of current and former Zyra players about which Q they prefer (expecting the response to be that most prefer the circle Q, as we did), and the results were surprisingly split, with a soft preference toward the current Q. Those kinds of polls are, of course, subject to certain biases, but even then, I'd be looking for a more convincing trend in order to consider moving forward with going back to the old Q.

Professor Ward3/31/2018, 1:59:48 PM7 votes

70+% Winrate on zyra this season and ill tell you why.

1: i play her support

2: i do not rush item 3151 because item 3116 is better in every single way possible while being cheaper.

liandrys is pure noob trap on her right now.

P0IS0N IVY3/31/2018, 8:21:52 PM6 votes

I've said this multiple times since her changes, but I dunno if Riot is actually even considering anything. The first plant nerf that allows melees to one shot just about killed her. If Zyra catches you out, it's better to just turn around and smack her plants once now and kill her rather than run away because you got ambushed.

Then came the AP item nerfs. I want magic pen but I don't find orb efficient enough. I want % health damage, but Liandry's does practically nothing. I would have to build two items that take up two slots to get still less efficiency than before.

SociopathFriend3/31/2018, 4:16:18 PM6 votes

I don't know, how did you allow Zyra to become a support champion over midlane. It's same with Brand. You've managed to push Annie back into midlane. So why not Zyra? Why not Brand?

Because it's a good company strategy to not take people using champions in some ways and saying, "Stop that, some minority doesn't like what you're doing."

Brand, kit-wise, has virtually no reason to be mid when almost his entire kit benefits from having multiple enemy champions around- guess where the most champions will usually be on the map? Botlane. W- AoE, more champions - more damage E- Spreads AoE, more champions - more damage R- Jumps between champions, more champions - more damage Innate- Procs on champions, more champions - more damage Brand loves teamfights for this exact reason- what actual reason should he actually have for not going bot besides, "He's a mid mage?" That's not a reason- that's an excuse.

Now think of all that and apply it to Zyra. Is there any benefit to going mid now? No- not really. Under virtually no circumstances will she excel against a single target like she will a group. Especially now that supports have a lot more gold available thanks to the sightstone+support item merge.

Also Annie got shoved back mid by nerfing her AA range IIRC, which made it harder to fight back against ADCs. If that's what you want for Zyra, go nuts, I'm sure that won't affect her mid-lane either, right?

Azadethe3/31/2018, 1:06:52 PM5 votes

You need to put a item 3165 in your build anyways, which is much more powerful if you take items into consideration. Zyra's never been a tank shredder when she can't proc grievous wounds. Second Wind is just too poweful for Zyra without it.

I'm pulling off more damage than ever, but that's because I play her support and rush item 3116 item 3151 item 3165 . Once I have those three I can melt tanks much better than the old version.

Borbland3/31/2018, 2:12:23 PM5 votes

Been playing Zyra mid since her release too, but gradually stopped playing her mid going for Vel'Koz instead.

The nerfs to Zyra support are rarely compensated by buffs to Zyra mid and making her really bad.

Zero Shingetsu3/31/2018, 12:33:46 PM4 votes

I dread to ask what "lesbian Zyra" means, but... Yeah, Zyra has seen a lot of strange changes. I've played against strong caster-type Zyras, but nothing like the level of strength she used to have. Usually if you see Zyra now, she's support, and the pessimist in me wonders if Riot intentionally shoehorned her into support.

Chortle4/2/2018, 5:51:34 PM4 votes

The way Riot has handled Zyra has made me leave the game. I used to love playing her mid and jungle with the occasional support, but after Zyra 2.0, I could tell it was just a matter of time before she was nerfed into the ground. I took a year break from League around that time.

I came back with a willingness to to adjust to her new state a few months ago. Sadly it was as I expected. She had been nerfed into the ground, lost even more plant reliability, the change of her Q shape actually caused her to lose damage simply because it is not as reliable as her old circle one, and now they have nerfed her core itemization.

GG Zyra

It's been fun my gal.

Can't say I see myself picking up League again anytime soon.

sAyCo3/31/2018, 2:53:49 PM3 votes

Hi there, so here is your items builds in some of the past games. https://ibb.co/efgsH7 So can you finally please buy one scepter item 3116 its really cheap only 2600 Golds. Also it will help you a lot. Also Attack speed, Attack dmg items wont help you.

Saianna3/31/2018, 4:13:03 PM3 votes

Imo "finally destroying mindlane zyra" happend with her rework-to-support.

The very moment majority of people stoped playing her mid was her death as mid-mage