I can't be the only one that feels under leveled in the jungle

Not crazy. This is very common now. Very often solo laners are 2 levels above the jungler mid game. Especially in competitive matches. It sucks because it is forcing the jungle meta into a support role more than ever. It is one reason Jarvan is so dominate. Jungles that need levels for their base damage are screwed.

It's probably why Rek'Sai got released so OP. Hard and new-ish jungle made it hard to gauge her properly.

Double smite charges might help somewhat but we'll see.

What about giving the jungler 2-5 xp more for killing jungle monsters when they have .

Well, this is a little complicated.

I think what happened is that Riot nerfed jungle xp because of the enormous amount of pressure early game junglers were putting on immobile laners in the early game. I think Jarvan, Lee Sin, and Khazix, skewed the reality of junglers.

It seemed that junglers were murdering immobile carries, mandating that champions with escapes be played, and making the meta pretty inflexible. (try playing a Miss fortune, brand, Veigar, or varus against Lee sin during his hay day).

In any case, the nerfs to jungling xp across the board has made it so that junglers can't gank as well as they could, and when they do, they are lower level than they were. So you aren't crazy, obviously...

I think Riot correctly identified a problem with early game pressure from junglers snowballing games...

I think they reacted incorrectly.

Jungling needs to be more focused on vision and control over dragon, buffs, baron, and objectives. Junglers should be mainly against other junglers, instead of being on a constant mission to murder laners on the other team. I'm tired of the Lee sin, Jarvan, Khazix, style of "murder the solo laners to snowball the game".

its made a lot of junglers unviable and made the game stale.

Not crazy at all, Riot will make some half-assed attempt to fix this that will likely give more power to either Lee sin, jarvan, Rek'sai and Warwick or to other laners besides the Jungle.

Jungle is in a really, really bad spot right now. I dont feel impactful at all, I cant carry from the Jungle while I feel Jungle should be the one role where you can fix/alleviate your team or one lane's mistake I feel its the othe way around. The jungler seems to be only there to amplify the lead a team/lane already has.

Not crazy. New junglers are often underleveled I think. I'm fairly certain even TSM's TheOddOne has gone into detail about this topic.
It isn't that bad I guess. Just gotta really have good ganks and cannot waist time between farming.

experience needs to be buffed again. like buffs should still give enough experience for a level. the 2 smaller monsters around it give less than they do now. its the same total experience for the camp, but the exp per monster is adjusted. also wolves or at the very least raptors exp gain should be buffed, considering how much the raptors got buffed. crazy strong raptors man

You may hit level 3 first but:

(1) you are usually half dead from the jungle camps at this point (2) you have to pay a 750 gold "Jungling Tax" before you can get any items that have stats on them. Unless you have high base damages, your gank is pretty weak at this point.

By the time you hit 4 and a half, the solo laners will be 6 and your window will be gone.

So unless you have high sustain and base damages, there is no window.

No, people have noticed that too. Stonewall has also said that the new jungle leaves him around two levels behind solo laners even if he participates more than in S4.

Just played a game in top lane our jungler was level 7 when I hit 10 or 11, can't remember which, and she was ahead of the enemy jungler too, even had kills. In my opinion experience ought to be buffed but only as the game goes on that way teammates who poach don't get too much of an advantage. Also since tank junglers scale better with levels than gold it would be good for them too. That's just my two cents.

it happens to me alot too, jungle falls behind too easy now adays

giving the jungler bonus xp would help when I try jungling I notice that I gain less gold and xp in the jungle than if I just fought in one of the lanes

The funny thing is they nerfed exp for monsters that are a lower level than you to "prevent AFK farming".

But it actually does the opposite - if you AFK farm, you level up faster. If you gank and leech lane exp, you get almost zero exp when you return to your jungle level 3 or level 4 and clear out your level 2 monsters.

Every jungle camp overall gives the same amount of xp and if you do something else than non-stop farming the jungle, as a jungler, you will fall behind in levels. The best way to catch up, is taking the lane xp. The xp gain in the season 5 jungle is really messed up and there is no good way to catch up inside of it. Supports are usually way better leveled, just by staying in lane.

I think it would be beneficial to change the jungle items to increase exp gained from jungle monsters. This has the added benefit that Riot can keep early full jungle spawn times and make taking jungle camps unattractive for laners at lvl1.

I also dislike that jungle monsters don't level automatically and need to be killed to level up. It only snowballs the disadvantage once you get behind and can't kill a camp for any reason.

I'm also having this problem, and its really annoying cause my first ganks usually tend to be against a lvl 6 while I'm still lvl 4.

The problem I feel is how jungle camps level up. Most junglers skip the Raptor camp(Why does this camp hit like a truck in comparison to every other non-buff camp?). They usually get around to clearing it when they get level 3 or 4. Problem is camps don't level up while they are active. That Raptor camp is still level 1 and giving level 1 experience.

It's what makes invading/counter jungling not worth it anymore. Sure, you denied the enemy a camp, but yours aren't getting cleared either. Your camps aren't leveling up. It's also why if you play a gank heavy jungler if your ganks aren't successful you fall behind. Your camps aren't being cleared so they can level up.

I find that in the first 8 minutes or so I am usually about 1 level below the solo lanes. Sometimes 2 although not for long. Not sure it's a bad thing since if you have your buffs and gank it's pretty one-sided unless the other jungler counters. I imagine it's also why I am still seeing Warwick picked/banned even though I went from maining tankwick to utterly abandoning him after the ridiculous nerf-fest. The way that was addressed, the offending build was heavily nerfed, but also became the only viable one. Reminds me of the s3 bullshit with Zac and Hecarim. Utter panic response.

Points to Ponder

The big thing you need to consider here is that the new jungle gives diminished experience to you relative to all other players in the game. This is to say, you hit level three explosively fast in the jungle, usually in three camps but this usually means that you are one of the highest level players on your team for a very short stint. This makes getting level four take three camps which is a giant spike. It is clear that it is in this time frame the game lends its self to wanting you to do something besides farm camps.

Dragon has taken a lot of there interest of junglers and games in general so this is a good time to figure out whether the junglers you are playing can in fact solo dragon at this point. A lot can, at least most that you want to be playing currently.

Ganking becomes something junglers really must do if they want to get truly ahead of the opposing jungler. Counter jungling in the current meta does feel pretty weak. In theory it should be really strong given that camps take longer to spawn and are therefore worth a lot more to the jungler. That being said I do no find that I am spending a great deal og time fast the seven minute mark focusing on clearing camps. Of course I still do, but there seems to be a busy map that requires constant movement and support of the team to capture relevant objectives.

In regards to carrying from this position, I agree it has become difficult to just win the game as a jungler on pure skill. I think the meta now lends it self to junglers who provide their team with golden opportunities that are nearly impossible to screw up. This means a lot of tankier junglers with a lot of CC.

I have been having a lot of success with Skarner, Malphite, Warwick and Nautilus.

Regards,

Basic

If I'm doing great and hyperfarming or getting several kills through ganks, I'm usually one level behind my mid and top lane.

If I'm doing decent, I'm usually two levels behind mid and top.

And if I'm doing horrible, I'm am four to five levels behind (three levels behind the support).

This seems to be an attempt at making support/tank junglers more useful over regular junglers and farming junglers, as the latter two rely on ganks and farm to work, while the support and tank jungles do not as much when you're bring the hard CC to the fight by simply existing.

There is a reason that is considered the best option. It turns smite into an AOE, which is a massive boost to clear speed.

When I jungle, I make sure I get red, blue, then do nothing but gank. If I don't get fed, im useless

With the new jungle, Riot wanted to solve the pressure that the some junglers had in the early game... and did well. However, the new jungle hinder tank junglers, because they are item-dependent and have no enough gold to buy, and junglers that have no gank potential pre-6, because they need too much time to get level 6 and so fall behind very easily. I think that recalling at level 3 is ok, but neutral monster should give more exp after level 5, so you don't fall behind.

yes man, it's true! The new jungle is created just for ganks( in fact all the jungler with a strong early are gold tier) not for farming. If you want an advice try to tax every time you can a lane, try to cover when your laner go back, invade for counterjungling. This is the only way to have the same lv of a non fed midder. So many time it happen to me that even if I had a great score, the enamy topper, who was wining the lane, had 1-2 lv more then me, it's normal in this season. The only problem is that if one of my solo lane is losing and I try to gank, with the possibility of 80% the enamy will take a double.....so don't gank the lane that are losing hard except if you have a jax or other laner which never fall behind or a laner with hard cc Like Lissandra and you have enough damage to take the enamy. that's all!

I feel like every time they redo the jungle they fk it up harder for the jungler. Actually most people won't even attempt to jungle now lmao. The monster individual buffs are cool and neat but junglers get their ass kicked left n right now, so what was the point? 1 counter jungle that is successful ruins the game for that player where as before they could come back.