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My MMR is an utter mess.

EugeneSims··2 votes·1,094 views

I know the reason why it's completely screwed up and that's because I've lost too many games.

Went from winning 15-20 LP to receiving much less. I believe my last victory earned me 10-12 LP, which means that it's dropping and I'm losing more than winning. It sucks and I don't exactly know what to do unless I go on a large victory spree, which seems unlikely because I'm not capable of carrying, dynamic queue is unreliable and the people I have played with are partly to blame since they are of higher rank than me (low silver but higher, nonetheless).

Now, what would I have to do to fix my MMR?

Play with people of the same rank, below, above, etc. Winning streaks? That's not something I can control, sadly. Of course, "losing less" is an obvious answer but once again, not something I can control.

I am feeling more and more demotivated to keep trying to climb and if I now lose more LP than I win, I see no reason to continue. Self improvement can be found in other queues; I can play Draft Mode for the same effect since most people are serious when they play in that queue. I would like to achieve something more than Bronze but I don't think it's possible.

I am afraid to queue up with my friends in case I ruin my MMR further or cause them issues with their own MMR. I am afraid to play alone because dynamic queue is unreliable, AFKs are still an issue or people who seem to enjoy dying over and over again or completely ignoring words of advice, swallowing their pride and doing what's best for the team.

I don't want to say "carry me, please!" but in all honesty, I really don't see myself getting out of bronze. Maybe that's where I belong. I know that this mentality is toxic to myself and others but...mos of the time I have some rather decent games where I perform well enough but I can't carry or others can't keep up.

I may just give up on playing ranked, in all honesty. Maybe stick to blind pick just to have fun once in a while. I've been playing ranked for two months and I see no improvement besides climbing 2 ranks which is...embarrassing.

14 Comments

theArtifacts1 votes

Honestly man - I started playing ranked far before I probably should have. Placed S5 in my initial placement. Dropped to B5 with 0 LP. Took all of season 5, but I finished S4/S5(going between them often for a while).

Only YOU can get yourself out. I have a sad 100 days spent on league in the past year and a half (Love getting laid off and going on EI...) and I spent most of that in bronze cause well - I sucked and ruined my MMR.

You need to find 2-3 champs that have decent kits and practice the shit out of them. ONLY play those champs and only in the roles they're meant for. Avoid the "OP" champs that get banned all the time cause well.. they get banned all the time. You wont get good at them if you can't play them competitively often and you wont do well with them if you do get them cause you haven't practiced.

Next, start a list of players who have AFK'd, Trolled, are just horrible (for more than one match). When you get into a game.. consult your list asap. If you haven't dodged a game that day it may be worth dodging to save your time and LP. Same goes for champ select when you see that your team comp is terrible and the enemy has a lot of power. Dodgerooni.

Mute toxic players in game. It helps.

If you start feeding - avoid fights, don't take risks, literally farm under turret and don't stand still - keep moving to avoid skillshots/poke. Don't try to hold a turret vs. 3-4 other champs.. they'll just kill you and take it anyway if they have anyone who can tank 2-3 turret shots.

The list of Do's and Do not's goes on infinitely and there are much better people out there to give you advice - this is how I got out of bronze with a BAD mmr. I'm back there now after placements but it only takes a handful of wins to get to series, so I should be back in silver soon; pending afks.

Good luck!

EugeneSims1 votes

Thank you for your feedback!

I like to believe I've learned that much.

I'm not an entirely aggressive player unless I am confident in the match-up and for the most part, I tend to play defensively and farm --- which forces my enemy to either force a fight under my turret, push and get ganked or to go roam (which I always ping and try to follow if possible). I think i have some decent common sense and I know when to pick fights and when to stay back to push or distract if someone is pushing another lane but I'm very reliant on the team to do decent because I can't carry by myself unless two other lanes are doing somewhat alright.

I'm decent in most roles but I main top and mid lane and I usually hold my own rather well because, once again, I'm not too keen on fighting unless I'm entirely confident and I'd rather play safe unless the opposite is necessary. I've dodged before (one because the team was absolutely ridiculous and the people in the chat gave me horrible vibes and another because I got the same trio from a previous game where they all did horrible) but for the most part, teams seem to be alright. You never know how they play until you're actually in the game and then it's too late if they are bad...

Man, it just seems very unlucky lately with the games I've been having.

Some games would have been victories if people listened to their team but a lot of low elo players would rather force fights and die than to push towers and a lot of them are thirsty for kills instead of taking objectives; plus they don't have much sense of what's important. I've had so many games be thrown because they want to fight instead of waiting out buffs, people who won't hold towers because they'd rather chase someone through half the map or people who die over five times in ten minutes even though we've told them to tower-hug and just farm...

I think the most common problem are people not learning from their mistakes. People who die once, twice and keep making the same mistake of fighting the enemy and just feeding them and making it harder for everyone else. That's why I don't like solo queue, it's too unreliable...while I might duo or trio with a few people, they end up making the mistakes I've said above or they believe they will carry everyone and think they are Gods that can kill the entire team by themselves.

It's harsh, man...

Anyways, thank you and same to you!

Ivor The Ranger1 votes

I've actually done the exact same thing - started a list. A trend I've noticed is that players with names like "XinYaoBiao" and "WenShuYen" are trolling in my games. Either feeding or playing terribly intentionally.

Iqqi1 votes

So couple things.

First you should really try to completely forget about the ranked ladder. Especially in its current state it in no way represents your skill as an individual player. In truth the season 6 ladder just shows you who group queues and who doesn't. Sure group queuing does not directly increase your chances of winning, but it does help. You might be on some form of voice chat with someone, but much more importantly... it reduces the likelihood of you having a baddie on your team. Someone who trolls or goes AFK.

Ranked league absolutely sucks for the first 2-3 months when a new season starts because all the good players never got thrown down into low silver and bronze, and they typically have at least a duo queue partner for the most part. Everyone else is thrown down the hole. So you have all the really terribles, the people who play with 800 ping, the trolls, and the AFK's all starting at around Bronze 2-5 for the most part. It takes a long time for these players to get back into Bronze 5 where they belong. Which means between now and then for the other 50% of league players we have to deal with an unusual high percentage of these players in our games. Depending on your luck this is a boost for you, for others it is a huge burden.

All I can say is to just keep playing. MMR is terrible by design. Ranked ladder is terrible by design... Both do not represent your skill at all. Just your Win/Loss which again as you are only responsible for 20%.

I only have a couple suggestions. First try to learn and play a hyper carry like Yi or Jax who has the potentially to greatly influence the outcome of games. Outside of that my only other suggestion is to find someone to play with who is close to your rank. Worst case you eliminated the odds of you having an AFK or troll on your team... unless that person is the culprit in which case you can find someone else.

EugeneSims1 votes

That's something I've seen a lot around the Boards. People saying they want Solo Queue back because the Dynamic Queue puts them against premades and the evident lack of communication on their side is an advantage for the enemy team. I have a few people on my friend's list who I play with, most of them low Silver (V, IV) and it's mostly because of that, for me to feel a bit more secure since I know they won't leave and they are somewhat decent at what they do. It doesn't mean I'm going to win more, I've certainly had a fair share of losses thanks to duos + trios.

Hmhm, I think I agree with you. I have people who have won less than half their placement matches and were put in a rank that is the same or slightly higher than me...which proves to me that there are a lot of mediocre (or even bad) players that in the same rank as me, which is unfair but I guess if they keep playing and performing like this, they will be knocked down.

This game is about skill but it's also a lot about luck and I guess I've been unlucky for the most part, ahah!

Yes, I will try to see how I can solve this. I don't exactly play jungle and Jax is almost always banned but I believe that the champions that I pick are good enough in a team that knows what they are doing. Most of my champions are tanky and have an engage somehow (top lane) or they have a lot of burst and AOE (mid lane).

Thanks for your feedback and hopefully I can climb better soon enough.

Iqqi1 votes

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That's something I've seen a lot around the Boards. People saying they want Solo Queue back because the Dynamic Queue puts them against premades and the evident lack of communication on their side is an advantage for the enemy team. I have a few people on my friend's list who I play with, most of them low Silver (V, IV) and it's mostly because of that, for me to feel a bit more secure since I know they won't leave and they are somewhat decent at what they do. It doesn't mean I'm going to win more, I've certainly had a fair share of losses thanks to duos + trios.

Hmhm, I think I agree with you. I have people who have won less than half their placement matches and were put in a rank that is the same or slightly higher than me...which proves to me that there are a lot of mediocre (or even bad) players that in the same rank as me, which is unfair but I guess if they keep playing and performing like this, they will be knocked down.

This game is about skill but it's also a lot about luck and I guess I've been unlucky for the most part, ahah!

Yes, I will try to see how I can solve this. I don't exactly play jungle and Jax is almost always banned but I believe that the champions that I pick are good enough in a team that knows what they are doing. Most of my champions are tanky and have an engage somehow (top lane) or they have a lot of burst and AOE (mid lane).

Thanks for your feedback and hopefully I can climb better soon enough.

My pleasure. GL to you.

Ivor The Ranger1 votes

Carry, carry, carry. Use cheese tactics or better yet, cheese champions. I am fond of Chogath, Shyvana , anyone that can really carry after earning 5k-6k gold. It's frustrating, because I'm in the same boat, but that's what has been working for me. I pulled out a 4v5 a few days ago with Cho'gath top. Utilize all knowledge you have of the game and apply it to your circumstances; anything is possible.

EugeneSims2 votes

That reminds me that I should take up Cho'Gath since he is an AP top laner and all of my top lane champions are basically AD and none are pure tanks. I usually play Pantheon, Trundle, Garen, Darius and I have been playing Jarvann IV lately too. What's interesting is, I seem to do better lately whenever I go into mid lane --- I take Ekko which has a lot of potential and damage and I enjoy Ziggs because he pushes from a distance and even with a bit of cooldown, spamming Q during a fight does a lot of damage in very short periods of time. I guess it's a matter of improving myself and hoping my efforts pay off.

KillerPenguins1 votes

If you're getting games that are too hard for you to make a meaningful difference in, it means that game is above your current elo and you should lose. If you think your mmr is wrong, solo queue for about 40 games and it'll be where it belongs, even if it's lower than you'd like it to be. Practice up, ward well, pay attention to objectives.

EugeneSims1 votes

I don't feel like the games are hard. It's more of --- when I am holding my lane, someone else seems to be losing and it's a meaningful impact in the late game because even if I play someone who is tanky and can engage, they can't seem to follow up and win teamfights. I don't want to blame others but it's a team game and if the rest of the team isn't doing what's necessary for the game to be won, it's virtually impossible for us to win. Most of the time, people are incredibly stubborn and refuse to build what's necessary versus the people they are up against or make other mistakes.

I guess I should play more solo queue and see where it takes me. Problem is, with the way dynamic queue works, it's hard to know if I'm with premades, if I'm against premades or whatever's happening. I hope they bring back pure solo queue just to see how well I can do when both teams seem to be at the same advantage (not having premades).

KillerPenguins1 votes

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I don't feel like the games are hard. It's more of --- when I am holding my lane, someone else seems to be losing and it's a meaningful impact in the late game because even if I play someone who is tanky and can engage, they can't seem to follow up and win teamfights. I don't want to blame others but it's a team game and if the rest of the team isn't doing what's necessary for the game to be won, it's virtually impossible for us to win. Most of the time, people are incredibly stubborn and refuse to build what's necessary versus the people they are up against or make other mistakes.

I guess I should play more solo queue and see where it takes me. Problem is, with the way dynamic queue works, it's hard to know if I'm with premades, if I'm against premades or whatever's happening. I hope they bring back pure solo queue just to see how well I can do when both teams seem to be at the same advantage (not having premades).

The thing is, if you're playing at above the skill level of your games, you are better than the 9 other players in the game, which means the other team has 5 "bad" players and yours only has 4. If you're in a game where you feel like you're dragging your team around, just make sure to ping your intended engages, ping objectives when they're safe, and if your team is behind their lane don't yell at them. Ask them to back off the enemy lane a bit and you can gank them, or wait until their turret drops and their lane starts roaming, tell them to farm, ward up, and ping their lane when they roam to pick up a free kill. It really becomes about coaching your team at some levels of play.

EugeneSims1 votes

A lot of people will not listen, though.

Often in champion select I will suggest good combinations and people will ignore me, if we need a tank or someone with CC, they will ignore me. If I tell them to defend, they force fights. It's stuff like this that demotivates me because I try to force people to be careful but they believe that what they are doing is the correct thing. Just the other day, mid lane kept dying over and over after me and my friend told him to play defensively and farm under tower --- he just kept pushing the wave and dying. We did win the game but it would have been much easier if our mid lane had payed attention; he didn't contribute much to the game and blamed the jungler for trying to keep the other lanes secure (the one's who actually listened and didn't feed).

These things I can't control because I can't force them to do anything if they blatantly ignore me.

KillerPenguins1 votes

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A lot of people will not listen, though.

Often in champion select I will suggest good combinations and people will ignore me, if we need a tank or someone with CC, they will ignore me. If I tell them to defend, they force fights. It's stuff like this that demotivates me because I try to force people to be careful but they believe that what they are doing is the correct thing. Just the other day, mid lane kept dying over and over after me and my friend told him to play defensively and farm under tower --- he just kept pushing the wave and dying. We did win the game but it would have been much easier if our mid lane had payed attention; he didn't contribute much to the game and blamed the jungler for trying to keep the other lanes secure (the one's who actually listened and didn't feed).

These things I can't control because I can't force them to do anything if they blatantly ignore me.

Yeah, those games are always rough, but you have to remember the odds are just as high (or higher, since you won't do it) that the enemy team is having the same problems. Just be patient with people and usually they'll try their best by the end of the game.

Iqqi1 votes

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If you're getting games that are too hard for you to make a meaningful difference in, it means that game is above your current elo and you should lose. If you think your mmr is wrong, solo queue for about 40 games and it'll be where it belongs, even if it's lower than you'd like it to be. Practice up, ward well, pay attention to objectives.

This is only true if every player is where they "should be" within the ladder which we all know is not the case.

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