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I think it's time for an honor progress bar. (or some sort of progress indicator)

Get Jinxxd·3/18/2019, 5:27:08 PM·190 votes·20,924 views

Hey y'all

I feel like it's about time we get something to let us know how far we are from an honor checkpoint. I've heard that this idea has been shut down in the past , but I'm going to tell you why it would be a good thing to implement.

  1. To the toxic players who are trying to change, or people who made one mistake and are now trying to get back to a good honor standpoint; this grind is really demotivating. Not only does it take a ridiculous amount of games to slowly climb your way back to honor 2, but not seeing any progress AT ALL, can really make it feel like an impossible task. The old arguments were that honor shouldn't be something you fake just because you see progress to your next level, but in all reality, why not?? Who cares if someone is "fake" being honorable? Would you rather that or an actual toxic player who is stuck in honor 0 and feels like has nothing to lose? I promise you that if you implement honor progress, you will see many toxic players trying to change just to reach the goal that finally looks achievable. Not to mention, if they look at their progress each game maybe they can realize that game did not give them any honor and they will try to fix how they acted (example: spamming ff, stealing buffs, or giving up early in chat).

  2. The whole debate about how being honorable should be standard and not something you can 'fake' to get rewards is complete BS now because the toxicity has gotten WORSE (in my opinion). "Fake it til you make it," is a saying that basically states that if you pretend to be something like confident or outgoing, that eventually by faking it for so long you will start to actually become it. I believe this can happen if a lot of usually toxic players start pretending to be honorable because they can see a light at the end of the tunnel. Take it from someone who was toxic, there is nothing more demoralizing than looking at that honor 0 or 1 every day when you log in. I'm not asking for fewer games to climb them, just something so we can see if what we're doing is right or wrong.

  3. Change is good. I was so proud of this company when I noticed you reverted ranked because it wasn't working out the way you planned. Seriously, the ability to change and adapt to your consumer is the key to success for a growing business on any platform. You guys have tried your best to change toxicity in this community and some things have worked and some haven't, but right now it is really poor when it comes to toxicity in games, meaning something should be changed. Honor progress in my opinion isn't asking a lot, it just lifts the spirit of a defeated toxic player who is tired of being at the bottom of the barrel with his honor 0, and might give him that little push he needs to change his ways permanently. What do you have to lose?

     In conclusion, an honor progress bar or some form of letting us know how far we are from our next checkpoint/level would be an excellent addition to league right now.  Toxicity feels like it's an all-time high and with the community already complaining about the gameplay and damage amongst other in-game things, toxicity won't be dealt with for much longer and people are going to just start leaving. Heck, why not just give it a try? Obviously looking at the whole ranked situation, things can be changed or reverted if they aren't working... but I'm sure that this will be a positive change for the entire community.

P.S. I apologize if anything sounded a bit repetitive, I wrote this in a hurry before work! I feel strongly about this topic though.

TLDR; We need something to show us how close we are to each honor checkpoint or level; maybe like an honor progress bar, here's why.

  1. People trying to change feel like it's an impossible task because there's no way to check how close you are to a checkpoint, so they just give up and continue with their ways. 2."Fake it til you make it"- if someone pretends to be honorable for a while, they might actually start becoming honorable.. a progress bar just helps people continue with their goal and not mess up.
  2. Change is good. Toxicity is very high right now and apparently something needs to be changed.. if worse comes to worse and it doesn't work out, just revert it and change it back to how it was.

83 Comments

Boltonator3/18/2019, 5:37:32 PM29 votes

This was a well-thought-out, informative post that, to be perfectly honest, hit home on one specific problem I have with the current system- no progress bar currently.

I just hit the final checkpoint to Honor 3 this afternoon but it has felt like it took longer for me to get to this point than it did last year. I agree that having some kind of progress bar to at least show where you are at would be a big step in the right direction for those who strive to abide by the Summoners’ Code, as well as those seeking to reform.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

karolmo3/18/2019, 6:09:40 PM15 votes

The idea is good, but since you didn't verbally insult rioters they won't open this post at all

Ahri Body Pillow3/19/2019, 1:04:07 AM7 votes

Sorry, but Riot already acknowledged why this isnt a thing. That would encourage grinding, and Riot doesn't want it to be a grinding thing, just something that happens as you play honorably.

Besides, it's psychologically proven that reward systems that don't alert you or let you know when you're going to be rewarded reinforce long term desired behavior.

zLvKNelly3/18/2019, 6:12:44 PM6 votes

honor doesn't do anything interesting anyway

letsfeedtogether3/18/2019, 6:52:50 PM6 votes

really good idea and like someone said here well-thought-out, informative post

World peace plz3/18/2019, 7:13:38 PM4 votes

For those who wonder or dont care about honor remember this. You have to be(if you play ranked) honor lvl 2 in order to get your ranked rewards. So if you whant those rewards you really gonna start care about honor and behavior if you whant the rewards.

Jennifer4203/18/2019, 10:51:57 PM3 votes

hey there, we here at rito shames dont want to give our players any insight on ANY of our systems no matter which one. most of the times we dont have a reason for this but you know, our playerbase wants it, they dont get it.

kind regards rito shames https://puu.sh/CZO5X/02a7c011dd.jpg

on a serious note: i bet a rioters answer would be "we gave you checkpoints, thats more than you deserve"

SeductiveGrandpa3/19/2019, 6:03:01 PM2 votes

The honor system is legitimately just unfairly elongated to make toxic players quit.

The thing dead ass claims 3/3 checkpoints, but once you get to 3/3 on Honor Level 1 (after 0) the thing just goes "OH NOW YOU'RE AT THE FINAL CHECKPOINT" after clearing 3/3. Like, ? ? ? ? ??

I've played roughly 100-150 games with this penalty? (Literally called a friend a "%%%" in all chat and got a 2-week ban although I dont have a single infracture with an acc from 2015 yet now im on the final strike) Its not trying to get you to reform, its trying to get you to quit.

WashyMoney3/19/2019, 5:15:16 PM2 votes

🦀🦀Riot powerless against intentional feeders 🦀🦀

d7keaVXqAe3/18/2019, 6:29:03 PM2 votes

test

He4rtkiller3/19/2019, 1:29:48 PM2 votes

From what I understand Honor system is a whole season grind. The progress is extremely slow. Therefore it could be even more frustrating to have the progress bar and be able to see exactly how slow it moves towards the next level. Riot did somewhat improve the feeling of progress by adding check points. But I do agree that people who are trying to reform and climb back to honor level 2 would benefit a lot from better feedback on their progress.

Wolfeur3/20/2019, 8:56:03 AM1 votes

Well, checkpoints are the progress indicators…

rtbf2256182413/18/2019, 6:58:12 PM1 votes

Problem with this is is that people who aren't near-levelling up will just give up and be toxic since they can't be arsed to hold back that long.

Edit: Which dumbass is downvoting everyone for no reason?

Illabethe3/19/2019, 5:34:04 AM1 votes

Speaking as a fellow Toxic:

  1. It does NOT take a long time to increase honor levels UNLESS you are still pervasively toxic. Riot doesn't just track single instances; they track the rate of reports against you. If you are a repeat offender whose getting reported a lot while trying to build Honor up, your rate of recovery will be slower. You may view your behavior as "better by comparison" but Riot uses no such middle metrics.

1b) I'm sorry. I've been perma banned 4 times. What I fear more than low honor/ is losing another account. They are expensive things to lose. Compared to honor being free. So no. I do not and will not ever feel "I have nothing to lose." If you spent any money, you'd feel the same.

  1. I'm sorry but this is just baloney. People do not just become courteous/confident/outgoing because they will it. If someone turns toxic, there's usually a catalyst. In my specific circumstances: I am probably Ausberger's, and I evaluate every move my teammates make, and I see it all. Working at a Factory, I come home with Sensitive Ears. that hear everything my wife and autistic son are doing. It never fails: I hear literally every move she makes and it distracts from my focus on the game. That irritates me. What's the solution? Lose the Factory Job? Get rid of my family? Become a player tutor for those who throw every game they play?

Sorry, but none of those problems are getting fixed any time soon.

Your post makes me think you were punished not too long ago, and that you think it's been long enough for a reform, but instead this is your petition to put on an act of reform. People generally do not word this discussion the way you are, when they are discussing it from a charitable perspective. They word it this way when they are selling something. I will never believe someone who says "Take it from someone who WAS toxic."

  1. The revert of positional ranking is going to have a negative long lasting impact on the NA community size and interest FAR greater than those who were upset with positional ranking. Anyone who played Fill is basically being punished and told to grind another 200-300 games just to balance out their MMR after the combine. People who weren't playing fill still are seeing lower LP than they were before it was removed.

3b) Players are not always right, and games who succumb to them often dramatically lower their lifespans. Be careful what you compliment.

Dahaaka3/19/2019, 12:25:52 PM1 votes

Totally agreed, i have asked about it in "ask riot" comments too long ago, hope this time they ll pay attention. And with it, If riot is reading this, return the "Honorable opponent" option. Most of the games i play, honorable ppl are on the enemy team. And nothing to do for them except for "wp man, thx for game" [zombie-brand-clap]

Magnovius3/19/2019, 4:20:16 PM1 votes

Concerning change and player behaviour:

I agree with you that people could change their toxic behaviour and that "fake" honor can eventually lead to a person becoming genuinely honorable, but, one of the problems is that the real toxic behaviour isn't really punished. You get trolls and flamers every match, and they keep playing more and more matches without being punished. I believe that kinda demotivates players to act honorably when it becomes more and more common to see toxic players about.

For some people, it's hard to keep cool, so you're often left wondering "Is it worth to hold back this frustration for such a silly reward when there are people doing whatever they want without being punished?". I don't think they should improve the rewards, you're getting a little something extra than other players for not being a shitty person, but they should definitely take their punishments more seriously.

As for the progress bar:

I don't think a progress bar would be the best option. Perphaps something saying like "You're on the right track" and "You have been often reported for X toxic behaviour, maybe you should avoid that" (Based on how many times you've been reported for something like, let's say, feeding/afking/flaming), and maybe increase the checkpoints to 4. Not something that directly displays your progress, but something that shows you're progressing and are acting like a proper human being.

I think it inspires more positive behaviour and it feels much more like Riot is tutoring you into being a better player and actually wanting to give you the rewards instead of being something you grind for because the system leaves you guessing (How it currently is) or showing you how much more time you have to act decently to get the rewards (What a progress bar could lead to).

feintfiend3/20/2019, 2:44:49 AM1 votes

I got unfairly reported in October and sent from honor 3 to honor 0/ I play this game plenty and I only just hit honor 1 checkpoint 2 a few days ago, progression is way too slow and easy to fuck up.